Xenji wrote: » What is disgusting about it, it is a socialist symbol going back nearly 100 years, it is meant that a free Ireland would be free to control its future, people obviously feel that they are no longer free in their own country anymore, it has been used by the labour movement for decades as well including the Labour party.
Macie Polite Ostrich wrote: » Excuse my ignorance, but what do those flags stand for? I presume it's some Irish nationalist thing, not too sure though. I ended up at the protest yesterday by accident, didn't even know it was on before I went up but I was around the area so I saw it all happening but wasn't marching. To be honest most of it seemed very civil, I've no issues with people protesting as long as they go about it in the right way.
Sweet Rose wrote: » Oh please, during the boom I had a mediocre salary doing a highly qualified job. Today, I earn an even more mediocre salary doing the same highly qualified job, while also trying to pay all the endless changes and extra taxes. Trying to squeeze water out of a bonedry rag.
Iwasfrozen wrote: » The starry plough flag has at times been an official flag of the Provisional IRA, the Continuity IRA, the Official IRA, and the INLA. The Sunburst flag was used by the Fianna and other militant groups. I have no issue with people protesting either but I find the use of these flags distasteful. As most normal people would.
Sweet Rose wrote: » Well the train, Luas, motorways, international airports never came to Donegal so please don't try to sell me that line! My motor tax is spent on filling in potholes with a tiny bit of tar every year, never retarring roads. One hospital to service a county of over 140,000 people. Get real!
dxhound2005 wrote: » Charging people who use use mains water is not an infringement of freedom. Every socialist as well as every capitalist government does that. None puts the burden only on to general taxation, every end user has to pay something as well. Would you argue that it is an infringement of freedom, or a capitalist imposition, that users have to pay something for refuse collection, transport and electricity? Should those burdens not be borne in full by the general taxpayer as well? It is a strange brand of socialism which models it's economic policy on the 1977 Fianna Fail plan.
Little CuChulainn wrote: » Even if you somehow managed to avoid the personal benefits of high salaries and lower taxes, which I very much doubt, you still benefited from the massive government spending on infrastructure and services.
Xenji wrote: » Our president does not seem to have a problem with it and is happy that it is seeing a reemergence.http://www.thejournal.ie/president-higgins-speaks-of-a-new-version-of-irishness-at-conservation-of-starry-plough-flag-891336-Apr2013/
Iwasfrozen wrote: » You've got your flags mixed up. The original flag is this.
Xenji wrote: » Yes, which was remodeled in the 30's but kept basically the same ideology.
Iwasfrozen wrote: » The remodelled flag has been used by the Provisional IRA, the Continuity IRA, the Official IRA and the INLA. It no longer represents peaceful socialism, it is a symbol of militant republicanism and no decent person would fly it.
Bambi wrote: » http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starry_Plough_(flag) tbh if someone has a problem with that flag they probably have problems in general
In Lonesome Dove wrote: » The same thing here with me also. There's no meter lid outside my house but there's one across the road outside the neighbours and the lid is larger than the other lids up and down the road. Around the same time the meters the cold taps in the bathroom came to a dripple before stopping up altogether. How's your water doing? Did you have any problems with your water?
Curly Judge wrote: » If I was you I'd move to have the situation regularised. Your neighbor could end up paying for their own house and yours. The way your supply was set up is not standard practice and could have arisen as a result of a bit of sharp practice on someones (I'm not saying your) part. At the very least they were trying to avoid the connection fee back then.
Deleted User wrote: » I've largely ignored this whole debacle. Could someone please explain to me why people think they shouldn't have to pay for the water they use?
UCDVet wrote: » 1.) The pricing isn't based on the water they used. 2.) There has been no reduction in taxes that, up until Oct. 1st, was used to pay for the water. Water was never free, but we used to pay via taxes. Now we're told we need to *keep* paying via taxes, but also, pay directly. 3.) Nobody wants to pay more while getting the same that they've been getting.
Iwasfrozen wrote: » Yeah if a person has a problem with militant flags they must have problems in general... :rolleyes:
Vinnie L wrote: » (4) why are we paying one of the most expensive water charges in europe, in a country where water is so pleantiful ?
Bambi wrote: » It's a flag that's been knocking around in some guise since the foundation of the state and used by god knows how many left wing groups of all shades. If that twists your knickers then you have a bit of a problem, you'd be having a coniption every time you saw a tricolour at that rate
Macie Polite Ostrich wrote: » I doubt the amount of water is the problem. Making it safe to drink and paying for the upkeep of water-related infrastructure is where the majority of expense would be I'd imagine.
mrsbyrne wrote: » Wether you fill up the form or not your going to be paying for your water. If you don't fill it up you will just be paying more then you needed to.
Vinnie L wrote: » " I support water charges and will pay the charges " I fall into this category but that is quite a misleading one. It should read I support fair water charges and the correct use of public resources and management. I don't suppor the lieing shenanigans that goes on from all the Irish political parties We were told for years that our general taxation was higher to pay for things like water charges, so . . . (1) why are we effectively paying for water twice ? (2) why were millions spent on cronie consultants and contracts, while public servants lie idle ? (3) why should the Irish people and state not control and own Irish resources ? (4) why are we paying one of the most expensive water charges in europe, in a country where water is so pleantiful ?
tayto lover wrote: » Any word on how they're going to collect it from non-payers if they don't return the forms?
Iwasfrozen wrote: » The starry plough flag has at times been an official flag of the Provisional IRA, the Continuity IRA, the Official IRA, and the INLA. The Sunburst flag was used by the Fianna and other militant groups.I have no issue with people protesting either but I find the use of these flags distasteful. As most normal people would.
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