CaptainInsano wrote: » Or get a dodgy friend to follow them.
Laois6556 wrote: » Hello, I've answered.
Billy86 wrote: » I don't recall being asked that question before in this thread, but I agree that proximity to their victims families could represent and issue, and that there wouldn't have been much of an argument against relocating the to other areas, even other counties, to create some distance.
Laois6556 wrote: » You'll need to re-read those posts then.
CaptainInsano wrote: » You said to be yesterday that I said these guys should be treated by mob rule. I'd like you to find the post where I said, seeing as you ignored me when I asked yesterday after repeatedly accusing me of saying these men shouldn't be allowed to work.
Because your opinion of how these criminals should be handled is emotively driven. The justice system has seen fit that they were sentenced, served their sentences and have been released. If the justice system was emotively driven, they would have been handled by a blood thirsty lynch mob. Luckily enough, society in this part of the world doesn't work like that.
CaptainInsano wrote: » You obviously are completely unaware of my view point. You just saw me discussing a very specific topic about rehabilitation with a person who you agreed with earlier in the thread and assumed I was someone calling for these guys' heads, didn't you?
Billy86 wrote: » So they would have "dodgy friends" just sitting around outside their workplace, ready to take the call to pursue customers as soon as they left the shop? Seems a bit elaborate, would be more of an issue if they were repeat offenders for burglary and the like to be honest.
bucketybuck wrote: » No, you have not, and in multiple posts such as the one I have quoted you could have stated your answer ten times over. That you will not is quite telling. It is clear you are debating dishonestly and avoiding the very simple question. Your posts are really quite foolish, which is disappointing considering how many times you are posting to the thread.
CaptainInsano wrote: » It wouldn't have been a story for the papers either. As bad a tactic it was, and it was a poorly written article, 3 murderers in one shop is something that I personally would like to know about.
Billy86 wrote: » They would have to run out of the shop in pursuit of them in the middle of their shift to get anywhere with that though, and hope to be parked near them or able to get a taxi as soon as they left. Either that of try out every door I the surrounding area whenever they cut a key. It's just not realistic.
Laois6556 wrote: » The off chance? Belfast isn't that big. First of all they get a very light punishment,
Laois6556 wrote: » the least that should happen when they're out is that they should be banned from the place where they murdered their victims, no matter how big or small that place is.
Laois6556 wrote: » If they're reformed characters they would understand this.
Laois6556 wrote: » I have answered. It's very clear but maybe you're getting confused with someone making up stuff that I've said.
bucketybuck wrote: » I have read all of your posts and cannot see an answer to the question. I do not believe you when you keep repeating that you have already answered. I respectfully ask that you take a few seconds in among your dozens of posts in this thread to answer the question asked.
Billy86 wrote: » Don't get me wrong, it's a bit of a strange case. I would have no problem with the place refusing to hire all three together (or even to hire in the first place), what gets Mr with this story is that they knew all three had served ling stretches and we're definite at least one was for murder, but only fired them after this tabloid piece. The end result benefits nobody, unfortunately.
Nicolas Cage wrote: » Or even quote it. That would suffice, for me at least.
Billy86 wrote: » Done... Osarusan: do you want them to try and get some kind of job and leave some kind of normal life? Or are you happy for newspapers to harass them, 'out' them, and make it much less likely that they can get any kind of employment? You: Neither of those 2 options are great but the second one is preferable to the first. Me: So do you hope to pay for their dole for the rest of their lives, or do you hope to see an increase in crime? You: obviously neither.
CaptainInsano wrote: » They only positive now is that it might bring some relief to the family, maybe they'll get other jobs closer to the families, maybe they'll re offend. We'll just have to wait and see I suppose.
Mal-Adjusted wrote: » I'm in Galway and Iv'e gone years without seeing people i know are here and this is a much smaller than Belfast. A city is a very easy place to get lost in. Ban them from where,that neighborhood? Belfast? Northern Ireland? the U.K? What if a family member lives nowhere near where the crime took place? You've brought this up a few times and it doesn't really hold water. Assuming they're reformed, a person still has to live. It's not really an option to hide away up the mountains for the rest of their lives.
bucketybuck wrote: » The fact that these outcomes are now more likely than before hardly seems to be a positive.
CaptainInsano wrote: » Can you respond to my previous questions to you please? You being the one hounding people to quote posts.
Mal-Adjusted wrote: » Ban them from where,that neighborhood? Belfast? Northern Ireland? the U.K? What if a family member lives nowhere near where the crime took place
Nicolas Cage wrote: » I must have missed your reply and I don't recall accusing you of wanting a lynch mob. If you are referring to this post, then read it again: I did not accuse you of wanting a lynch mob in this post. Anyway, to answer your reply to that post... Nope, not at all. If anything, my post was referencing Laois6556
CaptainInsano wrote: » Apologies I missed it. But yeah that clears nothing up thanks, not sure why you'd quote me in reference to another poster. Don't see how my view is not based on logic, we seem to agree for the most part. I'll just assume you didn't read my posts. Back on topic anyway.
Nicolas Cage wrote: » I quoted you in reference to another poster, because you were discussing another poster's opinion. So yes, I read your posts.
Laois6556 wrote: » Galway is tiny!
Laois6556 wrote: » Ban them from where they committed their crimes, so Belfast in this case.
CaptainInsano wrote: » They do live nearby. A move to a different county would probably suffice.
CaptainInsano wrote: » And how can you possibly say that these outcomes are more likely now? Do you not think it's more likely that they go further away where they are not known?
CaptainInsano wrote: » In response to your previous post, the company supposedly doesn't hire serious offenders, hence my surprise. Are you really saying you wouldnt like to know if three murderers are working in your local shop?
