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Inside Probation RTÉ 1 Monday 6th & 13th Oct 9.35pm

Lapin

Over 10,000 convicted criminals out there being assessed as to whether they are safe to live among ordinary decent folk or be banged up with the tougher nuts inside.

Which of them should be given put away for their own good and which of those featured in the documentary deserve their chance to live freely with the rest of us?

Will any of our regular After Hours contributers feature in the programmes?

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My name is URL

Did I hear that right. If a violent sex offender on probation can't have accommodation found for them after been kicked out of a hostel, the council pays for them to stay at a private residence and the person renting out the room has no idea of the criminal history of the person staying? WTF!

JONJO THE MISER

A sex offender and violent thug has been kicked out of his place, and no hostel will take him, but the council have a room for him in a private house and they havent told the owner of the house about his crime:eek:
Surely this cant be right and they can be held accountable if something happens.

Holsten

The guy just said the last time that happened he robbed someone with a knife!

Which is better? In a house where they know he is there or sleeping on the streets robbing people at knifepoint?

My name is URL

Holsten wrote: »

The guy just said the last time that happened he robbed someone with a knife!

Which is better? In a house where they know he is there or sleeping on the streets robbing people at knifepoint?

If he still poses such a threat then he should never have been granted probation, surely?

We need more feckin prisons in this country. Simple as that

JONJO THE MISER

We need 3 strikes and your out, lock up the scum for life.

mfceiling

My name is URL wrote: »

Did I hear that right. If a violent sex offender on probation can't have accommodation found for them after been kicked out of a hostel, the council pays for them to stay at a private residence and the person renting out the room has no idea of the criminal history of the person staying? WTF!

JONJO THE MISER wrote: »

A sex offender and violent thug has been kicked out of his place, and no hostel will take him, but the council have a room for him in a private house and they havent told the owner of the house about his crime:eek:
Surely this cant be right and they can be held accountable if something happens.

What happens he abuses the homeowners daughter/son?

The system is f*cked...

Lapin

Holsten wrote: »

The guy just said the last time that happened he robbed someone with a knife!

Which is better? In a house where they know he is there or sleeping on the streets robbing people at knifepoint?

How about an 8 X 5 foot cell in the basement of the Joy?

Lapin

Subtitles are a godsend.

castletownman

But sure building more prisons and implementating harsher sentences would go totally against the ethos that Ireland is this great charitable,christian country that believes everyone deserves a second chance.

My name is URL

castletownman wrote: »

But sure building more prisons and implementating harsher sentences would go totally against the ethos that Ireland is this great charitable,christian country that believes everyone deserves a second chance.

People do deserve a second chance, most of the time. It needs to be implemented and overseen properly though. Sending people who even prison staff and gardai know a still a threat; just to make room for the next batch, is as backwards as not giving anyone a second chance.

Holsten

Lapin wrote: »

How about an 8 X 5 foot cell in the basement of the Joy?

I'd say he had that. For however many years. Sentences end you know.....

Lapin

Holsten wrote: »

I'd say he had that. For however many years. Sentences end you know.....

Well the next time he is put up in a similar suite for noncing his own daughter, how about fitting the room out with a nice firm length of rope in advance and let him end it himself.

Mr. Incognito

I see the bleeding heart liberals are out tonight

Joes getting an early tug and a good nights sleep

The phones will be hopping tomorrow

Lapin

Why is the front page of The Star blurred out.

My name is URL

Mr. Incognito wrote: »

I see the bleeding heart liberals are out tonight

Joes getting an early tug and a good nights sleep

The phones will be hopping tomorrow

Also the muppets with nothing to add but a few cheap soundbites, eh?

oceanman

Lapin wrote: »

Well the next time he is put up in a similar suite for noncing his own daughter, how about fitting the room out with a nice firm length of rope in advance and let him end it himself.

what a mature solution....

Lapin

oceanman wrote: »

what a mature solution....

He molested his own daughter for Christ sake.

I think its a perfect solution.

A ten foot length of rope is a lot cheaper and safer than giving the bastard a bottle of whiskey and a revolver. **** him.

The world is better off without scum like that.

Fr_Dougal

Probation officers seem brain dead. Did they come down in the last shower?!

Lapin

Now this poor ould divil Noel is deseving of the chance of probation.

All he did was nick two bottles of wine from the local Super Valu.

Banging him up with the murderers, terrorists, gangsters, rapists and other bastards wouldn't do anyone any good.

Holsten

He should have got a caution.

Good doc, do not envy their jobs.

neris

TheZohan wrote: »

Probation officers seem brain dead. Did they come down in the last shower?!

Have you ever heard of Joe Duffy?

Fr_Dougal

neris wrote: »

Have you ever heard of Joe Duffy?

Is he a probation officer?

Turtyturd

TheZohan wrote: »

Probation officers seem brain dead. Did they come down in the last shower?!

Based on 3 of them shown in the programme?

catallus

I wonder where the free support is for the victims of all these people's crimes.

Law14

Some comments here are unbelievable.
The chap Noel has been in and out of prison all his life, in one sense there shouldn't be any 'poor' chap.
Ok, the sex-offender been placed in a house (this is obviously not ideal at all) but it is still better than the alternative, and who would think that probation would put him in a house where there is children, that's just idiotic thinking. Did anyone pick up on the comment that sex-offenders actually have the lowest level of re-offending.
Nobody knows the back-round of anyone who commits a crime, social, economic, family or backround. everyone deserves a chance as long as they are assessed and managed.

Turtyturd

Law14 wrote: »

Some comments here are unbelievable.
The chap Noel has been in and out of prison all his life, in one sense there shouldn't be any 'poor' chap.
Ok, the sex-offender been placed in a house (this is obviously not ideal at all) but it is still better than the alternative, and who would think that probation would put him in a house where there is children, that's just idiotic thinking. Did anyone pick up on the comment that sex-offenders actually have the lowest level of re-offending.
Nobody knows the back-round of anyone who commits a crime, social, economic, family or backround. everyone deserves a chance as long as they are assessed and managed.

I'd expect there to be uproar over that tomorrow and rightly so, but the PO is in a lose/lose situation, the client spends the night on the street and commits another offence or something happens to them and they face the backlash.

Fr_Dougal

Turtyturd wrote: »

Based on 3 of them shown in the programme?

Yup, I was referring to the ones in the programme.

Lapin

TheZohan wrote: »

Is he a probation officer?

He was.

noisenotmusic

TheZohan wrote: »

Probation officers seem brain dead. Did they come down in the last shower?!

Imagine you had to deal with criminals for 8 hours a day, 5 days a week. Most people would be out of the job within a month.

Law14

PO is on a loose loose basis, but there was obviously work done that rte didn't show, its the typical line that follows and the red-top newspapers have a field-day on.