dwaincasey wrote: » These water charges were brought in as another money collecting exercise to pay off troika loans that shouldn't have been burdened onto the Irish people. Do people not understand this?, I'm sick of hearing the bull**** about its wrong to protest and that we "have" to pay!, what has this country become!? We have been paying for water through the tax system. Specifically 5% on motor tax and 2% on VAT. This austerity crap to pay off these massive loans is just morally wrong. Also the Irish Water company is set up in such a way that it can be sold off and privatised down the road. Imagine that........
dwaincasey wrote: » I'm sick of hearing the bull**** about its wrong to protest
Peppa Pig wrote: » Nobody is saying it is wrong to protest, but to do so in an intimidating, thuggish, illegal manner is.
shedweller wrote: » What way would you protest?
Anatom wrote: » Talk to your local councillor, your local TD (as many as possible), your local Minister. Voice your opinion directly to where it can make a difference, not at the side of the road where even the media is tired of the "news" of a new protest. Convince a sufficient number of people to join you and that may change things to the way you want. That's how democracy works.
dwaincasey wrote: » These water charges were brought in as another money collecting exercise to pay off troika loans that shouldn't have been burdened onto the Irish people.
hatrickpatrick wrote: » the money saved will be siphoned off into either bailout repayments or government cronyism.
hatrickpatrick wrote: » It really is that simple. Taxes were increased to compensate for the abolition of rates. Taxes will not be reduced to compensate for the introduction of water charges - the money saved will be siphoned off into either bailout repayments or government cronyism. I wouldn't have nearly as massive an issue with water charges if this was not the case.
Doctor Jimbob wrote: » To those who are complaining about how this is taking away your 'right to water' - I'm not sure if there are any on this thread, I haven't read it all, but they're all over facebook - No one is stopping you from sticking a bucket outside your door and collecting all the water you like. This is Ireland, it's not exactly rare (which I've also seen plenty of people point out when complaining about the charges). Now, the obvious response to this is 'if it's not rare then why the feck are they charging us for it?'. Which seems like an excellent point on the surface. The thing is though, treating the water and getting it pumped to where it's needed costs money. Now there's certainly an argument to be made that the charges are excessive, but saying we shouldn't be charged at all and Irish Water are a shower of bastards is akin to giving out about the ESB because electricity comes from the sky sometimes.
Oscar Gateaux wrote: » It's agent provocateurs causing all the trouble. The people stirring up the protesters in getting violent are actually undercover Gardaí. FACT
dwaincasey wrote: » WE ALREADY PAY FOR THIS WATER TREATMENT, via the extra 5% on motor tax and the extra 2% on VAT which was /is ringfenced for water.....
dwaincasey wrote: » Also , the Protesters are getting bad press for the rowdiness / trouble... If you look at the videos, in my opinion it is the Guards and Irish Water Workers that are provoking the trouble and stand - offs.
Uriel. wrote: » Do you pay enough?
Uriel. wrote: » sure throw us out an explanation there for this viewpoint. It'll help us to laugh at you more.;)
Doctor Jimbob wrote: » Do you think you sound more convincing by using all caps or something? Obviously that money isn't enough, the water distribution system in this country is an absolute fecking mess. Now I'm not saying the way Irish Water are going about things is right, in fact I'm highly skeptical that that's the case, but I don't think having a proper body in charge of the country's water is in itself a bad thing. The protestors aren't being in any way reasonable. Protesting for reasonable charges, with full transparency on where the money is going would be reasonable. Throwing a tantrum and refusing to pay altogether is just silly.
dwaincasey wrote: » Check out the Poll on the Journal...66% say they are not paying, only 11% are happy to pay? An interesting one, how it plays out in the overall population will also be interesting!
Peppa Pig wrote: » If I felt strongly enough about water charges I would join in a peaceful march that was legally approved and properly stewarded. Unfortunately I cannot recall any of these in the last number of years. All these marches appear to be hijacked/organised by loony lefties and degenerate into lawlessness and a plethora of you tube videos claiming to show garda brutality. Off the top of my head I can recall property tax, students, lockout, palestine. All noble causes that degenerated into rowdiness. I would not go threatening guards, kicking people's cars, blocking traffic, screaming in workers faces and threatening all sorts of physical harm. Essentially all we have seen in the videos posted in this thread. What would you do?
BoJack Horseman wrote: » The Journal comment section is Shinner central. They forget that the tax take under SF would be much higher.
Little CuChulainn wrote: » You're basing it on assumption though. If tax is reduced in the next budget will you hold the same opinion?
Mohammad Silly Tentacle wrote: » Show us the proof or move your post into the conspiracy theories forum
FREETV wrote: » I would personally believe that to be true, the Brits do it all the time. The dirty scumbag Shysters in power are like the mob/mafia and are capable of any dirty tactics and treasonous behaviours.
Anatom wrote: » I think you're way off the truth there. Anyone I've spoken with in the gardaí (I live near quite a number of them) couldn't give a toss about who is protesting where - they know most of the serial protestors already in any case. Anyway, Ireland's too small for the most part to have undercover gardaí trying to "infiltrate" a group of people standing around a hole...
FREETV wrote: » The Gardai will do whatever they are told to do by whoever is in power at any given time as long as their salaries are still paid.
Anatom wrote: » Well if you mean that they continue to do their jobs, well that's no harm really is it? I think you overestimate the political influence over garda operations...
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