Digital Society wrote: » Okay i will ask first why this group of louts who just give everyone dirty looks as they drive into or walk into estates in Ferrybank think they represent me? Why are they not just blocking their own individual install? Also why do they think its ok to have their 4 year olds playing on the main road causing people to have to creep past to dodge them?
Hijpo wrote: » From the message that was sent out yesterday the protesters have been made aware that they can't stop them from installing meters in people houses who actually want them so as far as I know they are at the front of the estate keeping an eye out for IW then protesting on their own property. As for the kids, being in an estate I'm sure they have signs saying children at play and you should be crawling on those roads anyway. Unless the kids are actually playing chicken with the cars I don't think theres much you can do. Wouldnt they be playing on the road anyway? Even of there was no protests? Just reread what you posted, when you say main road do you mean the one outside of the estate? Then the gaurda should be notified as thats an accident waiting to happen.
Digital Society wrote: » Last crowd that acted like that down there where in a caravan. And the way they are acting with their kids they seem to care just about as much. Ive the same level of respect for them both after being looked at like i'm dirt by both the groups i just mentioned.
Digital Society wrote: » Okay i will ask first why this group of louts who just give everyone dirty looks as they drive into or walk into estates in Ferrybank think they represent me? Why are they not just blocking their own individual install?
Hijpo wrote: » See now isnt it easier to just accept and admit that protesters are not all thuggish scumbags as your first post suggested? Well done sully, you've taken the first step towards an unbiased view, keep it up champ ;-)
Its laughable that you would compare water supply to broadband. Broadband does not cake your 200 euro phone in limescale or leave a manky after taste in your mouth when your finished talking to someone. The people do not want to be metered and charged for water and will do anything to halt its progress. I can condone stopping the meters but not by the measures used by some. BB and water lol Also if you could show evidence that the ferry bank protesters stole those barriers it would be great. I've often seen people yellow carded for speculative accusations like that.
KevIRL wrote: » Whats worse is people who dont even live on the estate, or indeed even in the area hanging around outside the place 'protesting'. I came home yesterday and counted 6 people outside and none of whom live here. Going by comments on Facebook, people are coming over from Waterford City just to join in. The place looks a mess as out there, a door painted on and other homemade protest posters. As a community here we have had numerous issues over the years regarding anti-social behaviour from people in temporary dwellings, unfinished estate and all the issues that go with that including illegal dumping. A small group of us came together and have had some success resolving these, but these blow ins were nowhere to be seen, and will disappear again once all this dies down The only solace I have as someone who wants the meter put in is that some of the actual residents protesting have taken a list of addresses of those who do want the meters in (and I am far from the only one on it) and have said they will allow IW in to do these. I can only only hope and trust that this will happen when IW do arrive on our estate for meter installation. I fear though that they may not arrive at all now, or that if they do arrive certain outside militant influences will take control and prevent this from happening even
Sully wrote: » I didn't say that. The behaviour by many protesters (with a selection of protesters who act peaceful without disruption), as can be seen by numerous videos and comments online by protesters plus the recent legal case against a group of protesters and on the record on forms of media and the houses of oireachtas, is thuggish, disgraceful, disgusting and shows a high level of ignorance. It's bullying. The same behaviour was thrown around by protesters in the Dublin Greyhound dispute - calling people who wanted to actually earn some money 'scabs' and being threatening and violent because they weren't getting their way. I really don't believe that IW workers are deliberately setting out to be provocative to get a raise out of protesters if they are not being interfered with in any shape or form. Even so, it's idiotic and stupid for them to drop to the level of some of the protesters and the Gardai should act swiftly on these individuals too. You're failing to spot the glaringly obvious point I am making. People are using the reason of poor water supply as to a reason why they won't allow for a meter to be installed. They don't want to pay (directly) for water because the service isn't to the standard they expect. Yet, people happily pay for a phone & broadband service across the country that isn't anywhere near a good quality of service but they continue to pay (directly and indirectly through taxation in many cases) the same price as those who get the high quality service without protest. It's obvious the reason isn't really about quality of water (seeing as you pay for it already, even if it's a really small amount per house hold) - if the water is perfect, people would still be out protesting. There are estates (like mine) where the water quality is perfect and I have no doubt protests will take place in these estates anyway. This is normal. There are call outs on Facebook to get people from neighbouring counties / estates to 'help' with their protest. I'd wager that many protesters are a minority in an estate and there is definitely outside interference. theJournal did an article about it once in a Dublin estate, a follow up after their coverage of nasty protests which lead to arrests, and a lot of the protesters were not from the area and it was a small crowd protesting in a very intimidating way. I also think, just like the greyhound dispute, that people will attempt to block IW doing work outside houses that don't object to a meter being installed and the householder will be heavily intimated. I'm all for a perfectly reasonably informed discussion and debate and a peaceful protest but that's not what's been happening. It's the same looneybin nonsense of 'no contract' 'it's a gift, return it' 'double taxation' 'we get loads of water every year sure' etc. without a proper discussion as to what to expect, when to expect it, and setting up a decent service (and at the moment, it's a fiasco of a business).
robtri wrote: » And this is the same blueshirt, yes sir, toe the party line waffle..... paying direct for a service... it will improve... (Just like the HSE)
Sully wrote: » Cut me deep there dude, completely blown my argument right out of the water!! There problem with the HSE is no government has the balls to take it on head first and gut it like a fish starting at the top. Any attempt at reform sees mass outrage from all sides. Same could be said for public service as a whole tbh.
Wanderer2010 wrote: » Why are you involved in these debates?. You are a moderator and hence you should not be allowed just chime in and derail threads. And please dont give me your standard reply of "If you arent happy then report the post". Why are you getting involved in debates if you are a mod?
Status Offline wrote: » In fairness he's allowed to have and voice his opinion just the same as anyone just as long as it doesn't interfere with his modding the forum. If he was banning people for having different opinion or deleting posts which disagreed with his, I'd say something. I wouldn't agree with about 80% of his posts but I can't say I've ever seen him abuse his position as mod or be unfair to posters. There's a few posters here that would have been banned (were) on other forums for posting the same garbage they've posted here.Just for disclosure I'm not a friend, I'm not a lick, nor am I Billythepig.
Status Offline wrote: » In fairness he's allowed to have and voice his opinion just the same as anyone, as long as it doesn't interfere with his modding the forum. If he was banning people for having different opinion or deleting posts which disagreed with his, I'd say something. I wouldn't agree with about 80% of his posts but I can't say I've ever seen him abuse his position as mod or be unfair to posters. There's a few posters here that would have been banned (were) on other forums for posting the same garbage they've posted here.Just for disclosure I'm not a friend, I'm not a lick, nor am I Billythepig.
Wanderer2010 wrote: » There is a responsibility for mods to keep their noses out of debates, unless there was obvious racism, abuse etc. Hes a mod, not a member, and he likes his long, detailed replies to people which are more appropriate from active members and not someone who is thin skinned enough to always storm off in a huff with the predictable "If you dont like it then report the post" line which is tiresome at this stage. If you do report a post, nothing ever happens. The mods stay the mods. Sully, you really should keep your views OUTSIDE the forums you moderate. It makes no sense to jump right in there with people who you clearly like online wrestling with.
Cabaal wrote: » I've heard numerous claims that the water is unsafe to drink, thing is...its just hard water. Its naturally occurring in the area, hell its naturally occurring in most of Kilkenny....hell, most of Ireland & England. I myself have lived in a hard water area for decades, its certainly not unsafe to drink. There are ways of removing the lime, water softeners using salt is one way. But this actually does have downsides and treated water of this nature is not recommended for small children. (I've heard this from several water softener installers). Treated water containing salt also isn't great for plants and can built up in soil with extended use. From my own experience, a water softner is the best long term solution to hard water. It will extend the life of appliances, heating pipes etc. When getting one fitted its best to install a separate drinking water (untreated tap) esp if you have children. It also removes the need to use silly things like Calgon tablets which are expensive for what they do, a bag of salt for a water softner will cost around 6.50-7.50 and lasts 4-6 weeks. Now I suppose residents could claim they should get water that isn't hard water, but then that limits the area's the water can be obtained from so this means you can't have everybody getting water from a non hard water area. Its just not workable. In addition if you want the water treated before it reaches your home their are increased costs associated with this and potentially downsides depending on how its treated. No doubt you'll also have people unhappy with the treatment,
Jambo wrote: » The issue of lime in Ferrybanks water supply was almost completely non existent until approx 2010 when Kilkenny County Council switched us to a different supply (mullinabro) there after the extremely bad lime issues started for everyone. If they reverted back to the old supply alot of the end users limescale issues would be resolved.
Sully wrote: » I didn't say that. The behaviour by many protesters (with a selection of protesters who act peaceful without disruption), as can be seen by numerous videos and comments online by protesters plus the recent legal case against a group of protesters and on the record on forms of media and the houses of oireachtas, is thuggish, disgraceful, disgusting and shows a high level of ignorance. It's bullying.
Sully wrote: » You're failing to spot the glaringly obvious point I am making. People are using the reason of poor water supply as to a reason why they won't allow for a meter to be installed. They don't want to pay (directly) for water because the service isn't to the standard they expect. Yet, people happily pay for a phone & broadband service across the country that isn't anywhere near a good quality of service but they continue to pay (directly and indirectly through taxation in many cases) the same price as those who get the high quality service without protest. It's obvious the reason isn't really about quality of water (seeing as you pay for it already, even if it's a really small amount per house hold) - if the water is perfect, people would still be out protesting. There are estates (like mine) where the water quality is perfect and I have no doubt protests will take place in these estates anyway.
Sully wrote: » This is normal. There are call outs on Facebook to get people from neighbouring counties / estates to 'help' with their protest. I'd wager that many protesters are a minority in an estate and there is definitely outside interference. theJournal did an article about it once in a Dublin estate, a follow up after their coverage of nasty protests which lead to arrests, and a lot of the protesters were not from the area and it was a small crowd protesting in a very intimidating way. I also think, just like the greyhound dispute, that people will attempt to block IW doing work outside houses that don't object to a meter being installed and the householder will be heavily intimated. I'm all for a perfectly reasonably informed discussion and debate and a peaceful protest but that's not what's been happening. It's the same looneybin nonsense of 'no contract' 'it's a gift, return it' 'double taxation' 'we get loads of water every year sure' etc. without a proper discussion as to what to expect, when to expect it, and setting up a decent service (and at the moment, it's a fiasco of a business).
[Deleted User] wrote: » Scandelous waste of Garda time. The protesters dilute their arguament by adding in water quality as one of their objections. Does that mean they WILL pay IF the water quality improved?
TheQuietFella wrote: » http://www.rte.ie/news/2014/0924/645936-irish-water/ Nice to see the protest getting some national coverage!
Hijpo wrote: » If the gaurds themselves knew what they were at then they wouldn't be wasting resources protecting a private company in civil matters. The protesters didn't call them so I don't see how you can blame the protesters.
shinzon wrote: » Just before I post what im going to post so everyone doesn't jump down my throat I do not condone violence of any kind and anyone who does it either worker or protester should be arrested. But what exactly is a peaceful protest in the context of the meters being installed, is everyone advocating getting there signs out and basically shouting from a distance whilst IW still fits the meters to properties who don't want them in under any circumstances. By the very nature of the work being carried out the individual has to obstruct the work being done in order to succeed in not having the meter installed in the first place. Again im not advocating people being abusive or violent, so perhaps protest is actually the wrong context for this, more civil disobedience maybe Shin
Deleted User wrote: » The protesters are targeting the wrong people. The workers are not the ones who took the decision to meter water. They are only doing their job, in very difficult circumstances in places. I'm all for peaceful protest, but what they are doinhg is wrong on so many fronts. Firstly, they are intimidating innocent people doing a legal job. Secondly, by their actions, Gardai are having to divert scarce resources to try and keep the peace. The verbal abuse directed towards the Gardai is also wrong as they, too are only doing their job. The protesters are losing any support they had by their behaviour. The protests are far too late, as the legislation is already in place. Their protests need to be aimed at the Dail. A mass protest outside Dail Eireann would show how much or how little support there actually is for their activities.
people do not want Water Meters anywhere near there water supply
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