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Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2014 - Mod Note in OP, 1/09

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DVDM93

Victor Moses got an assist and assisted an assist today, if any thing gives me hope after this weekend it's that, in that form is temporary. Let's hope we kick on from next week onwards with Sturridge back (hopefully) and put these two games behind us (Villa & WHU)

Another thought; we lost to Villa and WHU, our two worst performances so far this season. Maybe it's a psychological thing against teams with a baby blue and burgundy? Think about it, sleep on it.

Iused2likebusts

DVDM93 wrote: »

Another thought; we lost to Villa and WHU, our two worst performances so far this season. Maybe it's a psychological thing against teams with a baby blue and burgundy? Think about it, sleep on it.

even burnley would score against our defence.

DVDM93

Iused2likebusts wrote: »

even burnley would score against our defence.

We don't play Burnley until late December. That would give us 3 months to allow for psychological help to rectify the issue, no excuse.

Agent Coulson

The Metro (I know

) are linking us to Joe Hart.

mosstin

Agent Coulson wrote: »

The Metro (I know ) are linking us to Joe Hart.

He'd be head and shoulders above Mignolet.

daRobot

mosstin wrote: »

He'd be head and shoulders above Mignolet.

Now that's sharp thinking for 12.20 am Monday morning.

Cartman78

Agent Coulson wrote: »

The Metro (I know ) are linking us to Joe Hart.

That would be a great scalp

Underpaid Mike

Hate jumping on the bandwagon but this is simply unacceptable.
How can you play a game in that position and not make a single tackle.
Gerrard having a truly appalling start to the season and needs to be benched.

Fescue

Underpaid Mike wrote: »

Hate jumping on the bandwagon but this is simply unacceptable.
How can you play a game in that position and not make a single tackle.
Gerrard having a truly appalling start to the season and needs to be benched.

Statsbomb, statsbomb, that's a statsbomb....

dogbert27

NukaCola wrote: »

Our squad needed depth, especially with more games in Europe....only the incredibly stupid can not see that.

T-K-O wrote: »

Spot on, we had 1 sometimes 2 viable subs last season.

Is this Rodgers first season learning how to use a large squad?

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo

In fairness to Gerrard he has played every minute of the season so far. Hendo and Lovren are the only other outfield players to do so. No other CL aspiring team has a 34 year old playing every single game. I don't think any player should be expected to play three games in a week/8 days. Gerrard doesn't need to be dropped, he needs to be rotated and rested, the same as every other player should more or less.

Everton and Spurs suffered yesterday which you can partly blame on playing in Europe.

We bought a squad, it needs to be fully utilised and we need to hope some of them start firing sooner rather than later.

dogbert27

Do we have a defense coach?

Mike Marsh is listed as the first team coach so does he look after defensive drills?

What does Colin Pascoe do?

Someone said earlier about Agger having a renaissance under Dalglish but regressing under Rodgers.

Asked last week and will ask again, is Steve Clarke looking for work??

Also this guy needs to be shown the door and a new goal keeping coach installed:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Achterberg

Now seeing the time line of his appointment, it coincides with Reina's regression and Mignolet not really up to much.

Underpaid Mike

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo wrote: »

In fairness to Gerrard he has played every minute of the season so far. Hendo and Lovren are the only other outfield players to do so. No other CL aspiring team has a 34 year old playing every single game. I don't think any player should be expected to play three games in a week/8 days. Gerrard doesn't need to be dropped, he needs to be rotated and rested, the same as every other player should more or less.

Everton and Spurs suffered yesterday which you can partly blame on playing in Europe.

We bought a squad, it needs to be fully utilised and we need to hope some of them start firing sooner rather than later.

In fairness to him? Its 5 games he is not being asked to run 5 back to back marathons here. In those 5 games he has been the worst player on the pitch in at least 2 of them. Thats appalling form by any standards

Oranage2

Liverpool are suffering from having no defensive cover, if Gerrard goes forward and pool are caught out then there's about 40 yards between the defense and midfield, having a one on one situation between a defender and attacker will have one out come if the attacker is anyway good.

The gung ho approach will steam roll poor opposition but faced with better teams or a well organised team then it will be tough just like arsenal a few seasons ago.

Defensive organisation is what pool need.

Vicxas

Oranage2 wrote: »

Liverpool are suffering from having no defensive cover, if Gerrard goes forward and pool are caught out then there's about 40 yards between the defense and midfield, having a one on one situation between a defender and attacker will have one out come if the attacker is anyway good.

The gung ho approach will steam roll poor opposition but faced with better teams or a well organised team then it will be tough just like arsenal a few seasons ago.

Defensive organisation is what pool need.

No having Gerrard so far forward will help too

BenEadir

Oranage2 wrote: »

The gung ho approach will steam roll poor opposition

There is less and less "poor" opposition in the PL. The so called "weaker" teams are now stuffed full of solid young players who are not intimidated by the "big" teams, quite the opposite, they look forward to testing their mettle against them. They have no fear and show no respect and rightly so. Combine that with good organisation and you have a hard battle every week where your formation and personnel weaknesses will be tested and found out.

Souness said it last night about United but it applies equally to us. You have to assert your physical dominance and win all the individual battles first and then and only then have you earned the right to play your football. We are not dominating teams physically especially in the last third of the pitch.

Fescue

Oranage2 wrote: »

Liverpool are suffering from having no defensive cover, if Gerrard goes forward and pool are caught out then there's about 40 yards between the defense and midfield, having a one on one situation between a defender and attacker will have one out come if the attacker is anyway good.

The gung ho approach will steam roll poor opposition but faced with better teams or a well organised team then it will be tough just like arsenal a few seasons ago.

Defensive organisation is what pool need.

Eh, have you forgotten about Arsenal's performances against the top teams last season? A second string Dortmund could have beaten Arsenal by 6 or 7.

viper006

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo wrote: »

In fairness to Gerrard he has played every minute of the season so far. Hendo and Lovren are the only other outfield players to do so. No other CL aspiring team has a 34 year old playing every single game. I don't think any player should be expected to play three games in a week/8 days. Gerrard doesn't need to be dropped, he needs to be rotated and rested, the same as every other player should more or less.

Everton and Spurs suffered yesterday which you can partly blame on playing in Europe.

We bought a squad, it needs to be fully utilised and we need to hope some of them start firing sooner rather than later.

Fully agree with you here. After a summer where we went off buying 6-7 players its hard to fathom how we are ina position where stevie is playing every game, borini and lucas are starting or coming on when we trying to save a point. On paper our defence should be one of the best in terms of quality and depth but its just so poor at the minute it’s a real problem. I would go as far as to say our midfield has been even worse, absolutely overrun and non existant, no bite, no link to the forward line. Sterling is only player playing to the level we know these guys can play to. Glimpses of lallana however are encouraging once he gets fit
I certainly not writing off balotelli, markovic, louvren and co. but to be fair to these players as well it could be a season or so to gel and reach the level we all know they can reach. I believe our season will hang on sturridge staying fit.. we are simply terrible without him. Both he and suarez saved us so many times last season when we were poor , we need him back vs everton bigtime.

Vicxas

viper006 wrote: »

Fully agree with you here. After a summer where we went off buying 6-7 players its hard to fathom how we are ina position where stevie is playing every game, borini and lucas are starting or coming on when we trying to save a point. On paper our defence should be one of the best in terms of quality and depth but its just so poor at the minute it’s a real problem. I would go as far as to say our midfield has been even worse, absolutely overrun and non existant, no bite, no link to the forward line. Sterling is only player playing to the level we know these guys can play to. Glimpses of lallana however are encouraging once he gets fit
I certainly not writing off balotelli, markovic, louvren and co. but to be fair to these players as well it could be a season or so to gel and reach the level we all know they can reach. I believe our season will hang on sturridge staying fit.. we are simply terrible without him. Both he and suarez saved us so many times last season when we were poor , we need him back vs everton bigtime.

Agree to an extent, but our back 4 is literally brand new (Minus Skrtel) theres no leadership, no one shouting. Sktrel should technically fill that role but he isnt.

Case and point is the match on saturday where both Lovren and Sakho went for the same ball, Lovren came off the worst as they didnt bother to call for it.

Our midfield is shocking at the minute, no bite and no link up play. Its literally at the minute:

Run 5 yards
Stop, look for somone
Run out of ideas
Play it back to defence

Its a very nervous time for us. Im hoping that we gel quicker than we are and that our injuries wont hamper us as it is.

Harry Palmr

The collective back line is suffering a nervous breakdown - once fear and uncertainty grip even one player it spreads - no one trusts the keeper, (including the keeper I suspect), no trusts Gerrard to offer protection, neither CB (regardless of which pair is picked) trusts the other or talks, while the full backs are just trying to stay well out of it.

If Dr Steve Peters would like to earn his crust he needs to stage some intensive sessions with this lot and Liverpool need to employ an actual defence coach.

Boom_Bap

I don't think that Gerrard was supposed to play the full 90, after about 60 minutes you could see Rodgers checking on him to see if he was OK to play on. The early sub may have had an impact there.
I believe if Can and Allen were not injured then there would be alot more rotation.

greendom

Fescue wrote: »

Eh, have you forgotten about Arsenal's performances against the top teams last season? A second string Dortmund could have beaten Arsenal by 6 or 7.

And how will that improve Liverpool's defence ? Pure whataboutery

Grayditch

greendom wrote: »

whataboutery

The word that would not die.

gafferino

"The boys are disappointed but we'll get back to the training field and go again on Tuesday night against Middlesbrough in the League Cup.

"We have definitely got the quality to make the top four. It's down to us to get things right and get back to playing the way we all know we can.

"It's concerning but we have got to put it behind us and go again. Our focus has to turn to the next game now. We need to bounce back."

http://www.liverpoolfc.com/news/latest-news/171160-sterling-it-s-up-to-us-to-put-it-right

greendom

Grayditch wrote: »

The word that would not die.

Fair enough, to rephrase, I think Fescue's answer avoided the question. The fact that Arsenal had problems against the top sides last season and against Dortmund on Tuesday is completely immaterial when discussing Liverpool's defensive abilities.

[Deleted User]

Saying nobody trusts Gerrard is wrong.

The manager does for a start.

He's far from perfect in that position but put the correct players in beside him and he'll be fine. Didn't see anyone moaning after Christmas last season, or the season before.

Rodgers is defensively naive. Nothing has changed in that respect since he arrived. He has Suarez and Sturridge last season banging them in. This season the goals aren't flowing, but we are still leaking them.

Strongbow10

rarnes1 wrote: »

Saying nobody trusts Gerrard is wrong.

The manager does for a start.

He's far from perfect in that position but put the correct players in beside him and he'll be fine. Didn't see anyone moaning after Christmas last season, or the season before.

Rodgers is defensively naive. Nothing has changed in that respect since he arrived. He has Suarez and Sturridge last season banging them in. This season the goals aren't flowing, but we are still leaking them.

So is Gerrard and also lacks discipline tactically.

Theres a montage waiting to be made of Gerrard ambling along until hes caught ball watching and allowing a runner in behind him. Hes a player with very poor spatial awareness in defensive areas, and is culpable of ball watching on occasion too.

There was another occasion on Saturday, when the ball was played wide from a central area and he just stood on the edge of the box and allowed his man (Mark Noble) to just make an unmarked run into the box and if he was picked out then it was a free shot on goal. Luckily he wasn't, but good teams will bury us.

Theres an unwritten rule, anyone who criticises Gerrard gets slaughtered for being disrespectful. He's the only man in England (along with Rooney) where the critique of their performance is never fully carried out. Pundits alike have the script written down beforehand in terms of how to evaluate him. And its based on reputation rather than form.

Carragher in fairness has highlighted a few flaws recently and fair play I say.

Harry Palmr

rarnes1 wrote: »

Saying nobody trusts Gerrard is wrong.

The manager does for a start.

He's far from perfect in that position but put the correct players in beside him and he'll be fine. Didn't see anyone moaning after Christmas last season, or the season before.

Rodgers is defensively naive. Nothing has changed in that respect since he arrived. He has Suarez and Sturridge last season banging them in. This season the goals aren't flowing, but we are still leaking them.

I've been moaning for years!

Last season Liverpool mainly got away with it, hence most of us hoping that Rodgers would invest in a M'Villa/Fernando/Medal type midfield ink-blotter who could range across that area between the 18 yard and halfway line letting nothing pass him.

gafferino

Is there a presser today for tomorrows game?

Bad week for a midweek game imo. No time to work on whats going wrong.

Harry Palmr

My team for tomorrow

Mignolet
Manquillo---Lovren-Sakho--Enrique

Lucas---Rossiter

Lallana----

Markovic

Borini--Lambert

Jones, Stewart, Toure, Gerrard, Hendo, Ojo, Balotelli.