tolerant from cork wrote: » Finally someone talking about it. Could write a book about asylum seekers, their frauds, scams etc. while honest taxpayers are left with no interest or help when they really need it.
Daisy Dasi wrote: » Tolerant from Cork are you one of the "f them all out of the country" type or have you facts to back this up?
Daisy Dasi wrote: » Hi everyone,as you all pretty much know about the media coverage on asylum seekers living in Direct Provision since the summer,resulted in several protests in Direct Provision Centres all over the country. It all seems to have sparked off with comments from Aodhan O'Riordain saying he was going to stake his job on changing the system and wouldn't stand over it. But on Wednesday in the Seanad he had a totally different stance saying he knows direct provision isn't perfect but has accommodated 51,000 asylum seekers since it has been implemented (half the population of Cork! ) He also said not one asylum seeker was homeless throughout it's the years the centres are running. He said anyone in the system over 4 years has exhausted every avenue and are only in the state due to court injunctions in place on their deportations.... Why is everyone getting up in arms when the Direct Provision was set up for asylum seekers looking for refugee status but ends up housing people who fail their asylum applications and apply instead for subsidiary protection, leave to remain, humanitarian grounds etc... Asylum seekers get their response regarding their asylum case within 3 to 6 months if not sooner.... so direct provision was only set up to accomodate people for this length of time and never envisaged housing people for up to 10 years. In 2005 a lot of asylum seekers were given amnesty under the Irish Born child scheme which had constant movement of asylum seekers out of the system but since that loophole has been closed the movement from centres stagnated. Easter 2015 brings about changes which means asylum seekers can apply for all processes at once with only one appeal compared to 4 different processes with two appeals per process. This ensures asylum seekers will be fastracked but can you imagine the Irish deporting failed asylum seekers as they aren't deporting people even now?
tolerant from cork wrote: » I have the facts, don't worry. I know those places inside out. Just ask me constuctive questions and I'll be happy to answer them all best to my knowledge.
AlekSmart wrote: » There will be somebody along presently with a Typewriter and some paper to facilitate your literary endeavours......just give it a few minutes ...
AlekSmart wrote: » To the best of your knowledge,are these protests in any way valid or are they orchestrated by outside influences ?
tolerant from cork wrote: » No need for that. Can type myself You go and write your own about do-gooders like yourself.
.Senator Trevor Ó Clochartaigh said there was an impression that asylum seekers were often low-skilled individuals, when many were highly qualified lawyers, doctors or teachers who had sought asylum here to escape hostile conditions in their home countries.
Senator Hildegarde Naughton (FG) said recent disquiet among asylum seekers and support organisations was understandable, given the length of time people were spending in the system. But she said key facts needed to be considered, such as a 90 per cent refusal rate for asylum appeals over the past 10 years. “I feel that sometimes the impression is given that we are discussing actual refugees when in the vast majority of cases what we are discussing are economic migrants or those applying for some other form of leave to remain,” she said. “Additional to this is the fact that over 50 per cent of those in direct provision have judicial review proceedings pending or in train, having deportation orders pending or are applying for leave to remain for non-protection reasons.”
AlekSmart wrote: » A bit DW Griffitish surely...... ? It's early yet.
Daisy Dasi wrote: » I'm lost..... what does that mean??
Daisy Dasi wrote: » "Another resident, who came originally from Malawi four years ago, and who built stages in Dublin for large international music stars including Jay-Z, before seeking asylum last year, said direct provision is denying people their human rights." Irish Examiner Tuesday 16th September.. What happened him that after being in the country for 3 years he suddenly remembered he is in fear of his life to return home? We have to bear in mind these protesters are failed asylum seekers and haven't any legal basis to remain on the country..
enricoh wrote: » Whoever is orchestrating the media campaign on the centres residents is doing a great job. No sticky questions from any interviewers in any reports I' ve heard helps too. I was wondering how it took years n years to reach a decision n it turns out most are rejected as bogus n are just doing appeal after appeal
Daisy Dasi wrote: » I cannot help feel, as Alek Smart has stated, the asylum process in Ireland works, it's the deportation process has failed.... Minister Aodhan O'Riordain has said anyone in the system for more than 4 years has exhausted every avenue available but have court injuctions in place on their removal from the State. If people were deported swiftly then everything is clear cut and asylum seekers would know exactly where they stand. What exactly is the reason Ireland is slow to deport failed asylum seekers? Is it the cost of hiring chartered flights complete with doctors, immigration officials, phycologists etc on board? Is it the lack of organisation on the Irish state to round up a plane load all at once to be more cost efficient? Is the Irish State just hoping these failed asylum seekers just simply move on? Or are they, as you say, afraid of the racist card being dealt? It seems to get a deportation letter in this country is no big deal and obviously not taken seriously as they are so easily contested and rarely acted upon. Support groups such as Residents Against Racism and The Anti Deportation League have unrealistic goals in trying to get Ireland to abolish deportations. Even one of the demands of the residents of the Kinsale Road Accommodation Centre was to grant them all status and revoke all deportations. Ireland has every right to protect its boundaries, and deportation is an end process of immigration in every country of the world. When Ireland attempts to deport people from the state, the reaction from these anti deportation groups in unreasonable and unrealistic. Ireland has a success rate of 8% of successful applications trying to claim asylum. Ireland is always scrutinised as to why it has such low rates of success.The reason being: Ireland is not the first port of call for the majority of asylum seekers if not all as there are no direct flights from here to Africa or the war torn countries of the Middle East. The genuine asylum seekers, claim and receive asylum at their first port of call... namely Amsterdam, France, United Kingdom or other countries accessable via boat such as Italy or Malta. The reason being: the genuine asylum seekers are just happy to land in a safe country and will apply without the risk of trying to enter another EU country without proper documentation. If asylum seekers fail in these first ports of call, they move on and claim somewhere else. Ireland is often a back up plan and to be fair, is a pretty lenient country in how to process their applications, their right to appeal and also has very lenient deportation laws. Ask any asylum seeker how or why did they come to Ireland and you will find a sudden bout of amnesia occurs.
Nodin wrote: » That's irrelevant.
TrishMaz11 wrote: » Not everyone in these provision are failed asylum. Some people are waiting for their interviews which is taking forever. People should be open minded treat people as you want to be treated cause tomorrow never promise anyone.
"IRELAND WILL ACCEPT 90 Syrian refugees this year, the government has told the United Nation’s refugee agency.
tolerant from cork wrote: » They are influenced by all the do-gooders like NASC that are living in lulu-land. Honestly, their most recent demands are to completely and for all stop deportation process and give houses to all successful asylum seekers. Can this country afford it? If yes ... I'll join them myself.
Daisy Dasi wrote: » Ireland is also one of few countries which rehomes programme refugees. These programme refugees are taken directly from refugee camps in war torn countries such as Syria and given immediate refugee status on arriving in Ireland. UNHCR website: "90 programme refugees to make Ireland their new home 20 September 2013 Some 90 refugees are to be admitted for resettlement in Ireland as part of the Irish Resettlement programme operated in partnership with UNHCR. The arrivals this year will bring to 1,064 the number of refugees admitted to Ireland since 2000, when the programme was established. 31 vulnerable people are expected to arrive from Syria in the coming weeks, as are 29 refugees from DR Congo who are currently in a refugee camp in Tanzania. A family of four from Syria were resettled in July. Ireland is one of a small number of states who take part in the UNHCR resettlement programme, which is coordinated in Ireland by the Office for the Promotion of Migrant Integration. The programme provides durable solutions for refugees who are living in perilous conditions or have specific needs that cannot be met in the country where they have sought protection. In the past, groups resettled in Ireland include Hungarians in the 1950s, Vietnamese in the 1970s and Bosnians and Kosovars in the 1990s. The need for resettlement is far greater than the number of resettlemetn places available. Of the 10.5 million refugees of concern to UNHCR around the world, only about 1 per cent are submitted by the agency for resettlement."
Lucy and Harry wrote: » beggars cant be choosers.they should be glad we take them in and feed them etc.What do we get from their birth countries.Sweet F all.I would get a lorry and send the protesters to the North Pole.Santa can look after them we cant afford them.Why dont they go to England why come here we are in recession.[/quote A lot of the people in the centres 9 years came just as they closed the loophole for the Irish Born Child scheme which gave parents of children born before 2005 an automatic entitlement to remain in the country. The amount of asylum seekers who came to Ireland prior to 2005 was extremely high such as over 11,500 applicants in 2002 compared to just over 4000 in 2005 and just 946 new applicants in 2013. Surely there couldn't be such a huge drop off in numbers so quickly but the only reasonable explanation is that many people came to Ireland pre 2005 in the guise of asylum seekers to claim under the Irish Born Child scheme. Everyone probably remembers the heavily pregnant asylum seekers arriving in their droves. Now Ireland is in recession, it doesn't appeal so much to economic migrants but in relation to your post... the people who are in the system 9 years are here pre-recession days...
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