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Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2014 - Mod Note in OP, 1/09

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[Deleted User]

pmy.murphy wrote: »

Believe me there was plenty of so called keyboard warriors attacking him on twitter

Twitter doesn't count tbf. Full of complete morons

BenEadir

rarnes1 wrote: »

I'm not aware of anyone who gave him stick for staying?

Seriously Rarnes, there was plenty of posts ridiculing him for staying. It veered from "he'll never be good enough" and "he won't get any games" to "he's a greedy ba$tard preventing LFC from getting £14m".

I can't be ar$sed finding the posts but I promise you there was plenty of them in the week leading up to and the days after the end of the transfer window as I was one of the guys who admired his stance and called for people to give him shot saying if he got some games i the run up to Xmas and it didn't work out for him he'd at least be able to accept he'd had a fair crack of the whip and would likely accept it was time to move on (down) but until he's had a few games played up top it was unfair to criticise him for wanting to stay.

pmy.murphy

BenThere wrote: »

Seriously Rarnes, there was plenty of posts ridiculing him for staying. It veered from "he'll never be good enough" and "he won't get any games" to "he's a greedy ba$tard preventing LFC from getting £14m".

I can't be ar$sed finding the posts but I promise you there was plenty of them in the week leading up to and the days after the end of the transfer window as I was one of the guys who admired his stance and called for people to give him shot saying if he got some games i the run up to Xmas and it didn't work out for him he'd at least be able to accept he'd had a fair crack of the whip and would likely accept it was time to move on (down) but until he's had a few games played up top it was unfair to criticise him for wanting to stay.

Yeh I agree completely. When a fan starts personally abusing a player because he wants to stay and prove his worth than thats a disgrace and those people should be ashamed to call themselves fans. It may or may not work our for Borini but Im with you on that one as I too admired him for his determination to stay and prove everyone wrong. Heres hoping he can do that because its not that long ago Jordan Henderson was in the same position so until a player gets a fair chance then its unfair to judge and certainly unfair to start abusing them on Twitter.

He did very well the other night when he came on I thought and it seems he is now slightly ahead of Lambert in Brendans plans even without Lambert doing anything wrong as such

BenEadir

pmy.murphy wrote: »

Yeh I agree completely. When a fan starts personally abusing a player because he wants to stay and prove his worth than thats a disgrace and those people should be ashamed to call themselves fans. It may or may not work our for Borini but Im with you on that one as I too admired him for his determination to stay and prove everyone wrong. Heres hoping he can do that because its not that long ago Jordan Henderson was in the same position so until a player gets a fair chance then its unfair to judge and certainly unfair to start abusing them on Twitter.

He did very well the other night when he came on I thought and it seems he is now slightly ahead of Lambert in Brendans plans even without Lambert doing anything wrong as such

BR and LFC are quite happy to project the whole "This is a special club" with "family values" etc and I buy into that so when one of our family members (who was invited to the club on a 4 year contract) wants to fulfil his contract and stay to fight for his place is that not the absolute test of whether those values are real or just PR bull$****?

TBF I do think BR is a straight shooter, he told Borini he didn't see him getting a lot of games this year and the club had received a good offer from Sunderland for him which they'd be happy to accept but given Borini's decision to stay I honestly believe BR looked at his squad the day after the transfer window closed and gives every player he has an equal chance to impress and force their way into his plans. If that's not how he operates I for one will be very disillusioned.

garra

BenThere wrote: »

BR and LFC are quite happy to project the whole "This is a special club" with "family values" etc and I buy into that so when one of our family members (who was invited to the club on a 4 year contract) wants to fulfil his contract and stay to fight for his place is that not the absolute test of whether those values are real or just PR bull$****?

TBF I do think BR is a straight shooter, he told Borini he didn't see him getting a lot of games this year and the club had received a good offer from Sunderland for him which they'd be happy to accept but given Borini's decision to stay I honestly believe BR looked at his squad the day after the transfer window closed and gives every player he has an equal chance to impress and force their way into his plans. If that's not how he operates I for one will be very disillusioned.

How many starts does he need to protect Brendao's rep in your eyes? If he doesn't appear tomorrow will you have doubts? Just curious.

I only hope we put our best 11 players on the pitch tomorrow and if Fabio stays on the bench then that's where he should be.

simongurnick

So...do we beat the hammers?

garra

simongurnick wrote: »

So...do we beat the hammers?

Not unless we step up a level in terms of movement and control of game. Not liking the proposed team I would say it looks a draw.

Swap in Llalanna for Lucas and the team is transformed imo, am hoping bib theory is throwing a curve ball

[Deleted User]

I spent me time tonight looking at the cops. It wasn't tickets, it was looking for looking thr sumbags :P

Fescue

Deleted User wrote: »

I spent me time tonight looking at the cops. It wasn't tickets, it was looking for looking thr sumbags :P

Yeah, me too.

NukaCola

Deleted User wrote: »

I spent me time tonight looking at the cops. It wasn't tickets, it was looking for looking thr sumbags :P

BenEadir

garra wrote: »

How many starts does he need to protect Brendao's rep in your eyes?

He only deserves a start if Sturridge and/or Balo are injured or banned and even then it depends on whether BR is playing one or two up top. With Sturridge out if BR wants to go two up top I think Borini deserves to start alongside Balo. I don't see Balo and Lambert starting any games together.

BTW if both Balo and Sturridge were out I'd expect Lambert to start up top on his own.

NukaCola

MD1990 wrote: »

According to bib theory: Mignolet, Manquillo, Skrtel, Lovren, Moreno, Gerrard, Lucas, Henderson, Sterling, Borini, Balotelli

If the team is right we need big performances out of Lucas & Borini.

I would have liked to see the same back 4 again instead of chopping and changing. Thats a real problem. We need a solid CB partnership. Too many changes there to get the best out of players.

Also I think SG and Lucas are best deep so would not like to see them start together. If that is the starting line up of course.

Wouldn't mind seeing Borini and Balotelli start a few games to see how they link up either while Sturridge is out.

Fescue

NukaCola wrote: »

I would have liked to see the same back 4 again instead of chopping and changing. Thats a real problem. We need a solid CB partnership. Too many changes there to get the best out of players.

Also I think SG and Lucas are best deep so would not like to see them start together. If that is the starting line up of course.

Wouldn't mind seeing Borini and Balotelli start a few games to see how they link up either while Sturridge is out.

I think a settled back four is a must but Skrtel needs to be part of it and Lovren looked better as a left centre back.

Will I Amnt

Fescue wrote: »

I think a settled back four is a must but Skrtel needs to be part of it and Lovren looked better as a left centre back.

Do you think Sakho will be ditched? He looks like an accident waiting to happen at the moment but he has all the attributes and probably needs the game time if he's ever going to settle in this league. Different positions and all but De Gea was a laughing stock for a year at United, look at him now. I reckon he will be a very capable defender if given the backing and time.

Agent Coulson

NukaCola wrote: »

I would have liked to see the same back 4 again instead of chopping and changing. Thats a real problem. We need a solid CB partnership. Too many changes there to get the best out of players.

Also I think SG and Lucas are best deep so would not like to see them start together. If that is the starting line up of course.

Wouldn't mind seeing Borini and Balotelli start a few games to see how they link up either while Sturridge is out.

I think the same back four should start.

Here is the problem with that back four as I see it. They want to play a high line and all of the four have the pace to do..Gerrard/Lucas or both playing in front of them want to play deep and this pushes them back so they are unable to play the high line.

So the back four have a player behind them who is nervous(when they play so deep)so they have to watch him and the player in front of them is nearly getting in there way or is out of postition and then they are left exposed.

This is the work that needs to be done on the training ground and for some reason it doesn't seem to be.

I agree up front two should start and if thats the two Italians I have no problem with that.

TitianGerm

Are we on tv today guys ?

mav79

Would prefer if the back four stayed the same, the idea that Skrtel is going to instill calmness and composure to those around him is crazy. If we started attacking the ball while defending corners and free kicks instead of fighting with opposition players we might not be such a shambles every time the ball came into the box.

5starpool

emmetkenny wrote: »

Are we on tv today guys ?

Sky Sports 1, kick off at 5.30.

billymitchell

emmetkenny wrote: »

Are we on tv today guys ?

Its a 5:30 kick off, so it will be. Probably be on sky sports

Fescue

Will I Amnt wrote: »

Do you think Sakho will be ditched? He looks like an accident waiting to happen at the moment but he has all the attributes and probably needs the game time if he's ever going to settle in this league. Different positions and all but De Gea was a laughing stock for a year at United, look at him now. I reckon he will be a very capable defender if given the backing and time.

I think Skrtel will come back in once he's fit. Sakho hasn't really shone in the games he's started since Skrtel was injured.

As for his long term future, at this point in time I'm not sure he will have one at Liverpool. The Premier League is played at quite a high intensity and I'm not sure he is technically good enough to cope with it.

At international level he has looked good but the intensity of international football perhaps doesn't expose his limitations as frequently.

Boom_Bap

I'd much prefer to see the same back 4 start, they are starting to get used to each other, and that needs to grow. Plus as much as I like Skrytl, he would not be my preferred choice against an unpredictable hammers front line. Zarate has alot of movement which I dont think that Martin deals with very well.

And as for Borini up front, makes perfect sense, he'll be making awkward runs that will drag their defensive unit about the place, something that was sorely missed in the last 2-1 win we had. Balotelli will offer a bit of a physical presence, and get on the peno spot and Sterling will hopefully exploit any space made.

Will I Amnt

Fescue wrote: »

I think Skrtel will come back in once he's fit. Sakho hasn't really shone in the games he's started since Skrtel was injured.

As for his long term future, at this point in time I'm not sure he will have one at Liverpool. The Premier League is played at quite a high intensity and I'm not sure he is technically good enough to cope with it.

At international level he has looked good but the intensity of international football perhaps doesn't expose his limitations as frequently.

Maybe so although he's still quite young in CB terms and getting to grips with the intensity isn't completely out the window. I do think he will have a very good career, whether it's at Liverpool or not.

Fescue

Will I Amnt wrote: »

Maybe so although he's still quite young in CB terms and getting to grips with the intensity isn't completely out the window. I do think he will have a very good career, whether it's at Liverpool or not.

Well it would be fantastic if he did get to grips with it and had a very good career at Liverpool. He comes across as a very decent guy and is a good professional.

The whole problem with Liverpool defensively is bigger than any one individual anyway to be fair.

[Deleted User]

"accident waiting to happen"

Lazy arm-chair analysis I've heard a few times lately

Fescue

rarnes1 wrote: »

"accident waiting to happen"

Lazy arm-chair analysis I've heard a few times lately

I think there is an element of truth to it though. He miscontrolled the ball that led to the corner Villa scored from and again against Ludogorets when they hit the post.

[Deleted User]

Fescue wrote: »

I think there is an element of truth to it though. He miscontrolled the ball that led to the corner Villa scored from and again against Ludogorets when they hit the post.

In that case every Liverpool defender is an accident waiting to happen.

Skrtel is a bloody nuclear disaster waiting to happen.

As I said just lazy analysis.

T-K-O

rarnes1 wrote: »

In that case every Liverpool defender is an accident waiting to happen.

Skrtel is a bloody nuclear disaster waiting to happen.

As I said just lazy analysis.

It's not really.. Sakho diving and Skrtels jersey pulling is a problem.

Will I Amnt

Fescue wrote: »

I think there is an element of truth to it though. He miscontrolled the ball that led to the corner Villa scored from and again against Ludogorets when they hit the post.

I assumed it was pretty obvious to everybody he's not too comfortable at the moment. He seems to give up at least one goal scoring opportunity a game through an unexpected error, as I said I think he'll grow into it though. It's only because I said it that he replied like that anyway...

Fescue

rarnes1 wrote: »

In that case every Liverpool defender is an accident waiting to happen.

Skrtel is a bloody nuclear disaster waiting to happen.

As I said just lazy analysis.

How would you analyse the performances of Sakho over the last 3 games?

[Deleted User]

Fescue wrote: »

How would you analyse the performances of Sakho over the last 3 games?

Spurs he hadn't much to do, they offered nothing.

Villa, the whole team was poor. He should have booted the ball out for a throw but Lovren had a worse game and was at fault for the goal.

The other night he was ok only in another poor team performance.

The defensive unit is broken under Rodgers system. Obviously having so many new players will take time to settle. Anyone that can't grasp that needs to take a step back