RobertKK wrote: » I pay allmost of those taxes and others not mentioned and had always had to pay for water,. It is not by choice that I am not on the public system. The nearest public water pipe is miles away. In rural Ireland for most, you have to provide your own water, it doesn't matter what taxes you paid. There was never a tax credit every year for the cost of providing one's own water supply. My LPT will be low as my house is situated next to farm buildings, is very old, would cost a fortune to make more modern - be cheaper to knock it down and rebuild...but there are nice houses near me that will be paying a lot as houses in my area have sold for over 400k due to the very scenic location of where I live and proximity to Kilkenny. Rural Ireland is oft left to fend for itself, while in urban areas they have everything handed to them - public water, much better broadband, footpaths, lighting, transport, gas... We don't get many services where I live apart form the postman delivering the letters, and the local council filling the potholes.
UCDVet wrote: » Just got a letter in the mail. Honest question - what happens if I do nothing? I never agreed to pay for water, after all. Hypothetically speaking, if I toss it in the trash, what happens? I'm renting an apartment. Wife's name is on lease. Wife has no job. Letter was sent to 'Occupant'
Banjo String wrote: » Would you care to address my point about the previous (and current) water departments, pump houses reservoirs, and who paid for them? Imo, it was tax payers. How have you reached the conclusion water was free until now?
Banjo String wrote: » As for your situation ref paying for a private water scheme, this is due to the fact you live in a rural part of the country, not connected to the mains (by choice I presume?)
RobertKK wrote: » It was paid for by borrowings, taxes from everyone including those who do not get a public water supply. It was unjust that some had to pay for their own water supply and have taxes they pay going towards paying for unlimited water supply to be free for others. In the past there was rates and that helped pay for it, they were abolished and one could argue that since then borrowed money paid for the water and during the boom, property sourced taxes paid for it.
lazeedaisy wrote: » no one in a rural area has a choice, you need to be sure of your facts, do you think we have a choice and people CHOOSE to pay over not paying, we have been paying years.
shruikan2553 wrote: » Only 50% higher than the 240 avergae charge. Thats a surprise. :rolleyes:
Banjo String wrote: » Ok, so it wasn't free. Fair enough. Yes, it probably was annoying having to pay into a group scheme/private well, but as the many pro tax folk on these threads will verify, we seldom have a choice where our taxes go. Ask anyone who has never needed the hospital, emergency services, check list benefit etc. Well I think you may have gotten the wrong end of the stick here tbh. My (by choice) post was in reference to the many rural dwellers who chose to build or buy in said locations. I myself am originally from a rural location, though in our case we were connected to a mains.
frostypants wrote: » I have since April and been taking readings. I'm using on average 800 litres a month so I might not have to pay anything as I'm well under the 30000 allowance
Ogham wrote: » 800l a month seems very very low. That's just 26 litres a day! A single toilet flush uses about 8l - even a a quick shower would use 20l and is you must drink some too. Are you very sparing with water ?
lorweld wrote: » Sorry haven't read the whole thread. We haven't received our form yet but one thing is puzzling me. I live in a block of 6 apartments. There are no meters, so we'll be charged the "set rate". My question is what's to stop me lying & say there is only one person living here (there is two of us) & getting a cheaper rate. They only ask for one pps number. Or will they be able to check revenue or dept of social protection for details of who's living where.
UnitedIrishman wrote: » Judging on a reading (unless I'm reading it completely wrong) over a week in our home with 3 people, we used almost 1000L. Which is around 50L litres a day each. I'd easily drink 3-4L, shower once a day and maybe flush the toilet max twice/three times a day. We do the usual water saving stuff like knocking off taps when brushing teeth, only flush when it's really required etc but when you spread stuff like washing machine usage and dishwashing usage - it's still looking it's going to be next to impossible for us to stay below that usage. I wouldn't mind if the allowances were reasonable but it's like they're saying 'right we're going to fleece ye right from the start!' Just doing the maths there and even if it was say 10c per litre after the allowance it'll cost our house roughly €2200 a year extra. Not a fear in ****.
2 stroke wrote: » Recieved this form today, most of my neighbours have received theirs too. There's not one house within 3 miles connected to public water or sewers. They have no idea where their pipes go. I can imagine the response if my employer sent out letters to random non customers informing them that if they didn't return the forms suitably completed that they would be billed an ammount based on the average customers bill. Could compliance set a precedent whereby this could become a standard business practice.
cocoman wrote: » 1000 l per week is very good for 3 people. If one of the 3 is under 18 I have worked out your yearly bill at just under €10 for the year. This is also based on the assumption that you are not connected to the public sewer. If all 3 persons are over 18 the bill will be €54. If connected to a public sewer then those amounts should be doubled.
UnitedIrishman wrote: » Could you explain the breakdown of this please? It's 3 adults.
Ghost Buster wrote: » Many aspects of Irish water dont add up but the one bugging me just now is the estimated bills for homes they havent yet metered. If you are paying for a consumable product and by quantity consumed how is it fair that they estimate your consumption just cos they havent got their act together.? Can Tesco just start letting you out of the store without paying and then send you bill based on a guess? My home isnt metered and being a bit of an auld hippy i have been conserving water for years. Im well below the calculated average but will end up paying for what i dont use based on their guess. Arse i say!!!!!:mad:
cocoman wrote: » Until the meter is installed you will get bills based on an estimated usage. However once metered, readings will be taken for a few months and your actual usage worked out. This figure will then be compared to the estimates that had been used. You may well find that a credit will then be given if actual usage is less than estimated (or vice versa if actual is greater than estimated).
“I agree with you in sense that people would be very reluctant to sign up to a blank cheque without knowing what they’re getting there,” said the Taoiseach.
Banjo String wrote: » .
Rucking_Fetard wrote: » Are you paying the property tax?
dashcamdanny wrote: » JUst checked my meter. 104,000 liters since 16/11/13 when fitted. Much shouting at my family . 2 adults 1 child.
Satriale wrote: » Dont shout at the family, shout at Phil Hogan!!!
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