TheZohan wrote: » The guy from IW told him that it's up to him if he wants to pay the water charge or not and that IW won't tell him what to do with his disposable income...how odd...
steev e wrote: » They will just take the charges out of your income if push comes to shove. But by all means give them as much hassle as you can because that is all anyone can do.
Banjo String wrote: » They won't be able to deduct at source. It's a utility bill tax. Best be in the safe side though, don't give the pps number over.
shruikan2553 wrote: » Got the application form today. It would be nice to have some idea how much it will be for unmetered people so I can start budgeting it. Im going to guess higher than what it would be with a meter.
Ogham wrote: » Some details of the proposed unmetered charges here. http://www.moneyguideireland.com/unmetered-water-charges-how-will-it-work.html
MortGoldman wrote: » Won't sign anything, won't pay anything. Until I'm dragged through the courts, I won't be handing over a penny.
UCDVet wrote: » Just got a letter in the mail. Honest question - what happens if I do nothing? I never agreed to pay for water, after all. Hypothetically speaking, if I toss it in the trash, what happens? I'm renting an apartment. Wife's name is on lease. Wife has no job. Letter was sent to 'Occupant'
UCDVet wrote: » Honest question - does anyone know what non-eu students are meant to do with this? If you don't have a PPS number, what do you enter?
frostypants wrote: » Got the application as well today. I really do hate handing over my PPS number but it's the only way you will get the 30000 litre allowance. I've been reading my meter monthly since April and I'm averaging 800 litres a month so by that I'm guessing I'll be paying very little or nothing at all?
Banjo String wrote: » Personally, (and I'm not advocating you do the same) I will not be giving my Pps nor will I be engaging with them in any shape or form. I'm yet to be metered, we have 2 kids, both my wife and I work. I pay 52% of everything I earn over in taxes, and various levies. As does my wife. We are taxed at 52% on our incomes, after USC, PRSI and income tax is deducted. I understand I will lose out on any 'free entitlements' we should be entitled to, but I'm ok with that. I refuse to enter into a contract for something I've been paying for already, and unless they wish to reduce my other rates of tax, or offer some kind of rebate, this is double taxation. It's now got to the point where no matter what charges and levies I pay, I'm still told aren't enough. Income tax used to cover bin charges, then they made us pay direct. Next they introduced lpt to pay for local council services. They have also upped vat, and upped car tax, both of which previously paid for water. I'm now left wondering on what the hell my income, PRSI and USC actually does pay for With out my name, who will they summons to Court? Without a contract, how can they claim I've agreed to be charged by them? Without a meter, how will they restrict my pressure? Without my Pps number, how will they deduct at source? If enough people stand their ground on this one, possibly something can be achieved, maybe I'm kicking the can download n the road and will inevitably end up paying more. Who knows? At least I'll be doing something though. Hopefully plenty more will follow suit.
frostypants wrote: » Hopefully people will. Don't get me wrong I'm totally in agreement with you but they've put that stick in of course that you will not get any allowance if you don't sign on the dotted line. It's a tough one. A couple thing above though. They do have your name, well I think my name was on the letter. You're right about they can't restrict you or turn it off. I've included a link to a video couple posts back of an Irish Water representative saying that. They can never take from source anyway as they're just a utility company. I think they're just playing with people's fears with this carrot and stick approach
Timberrrrrrrr wrote: » You keep posting that link, it's one customer service rep who is more than likely mistaken yet you are acting as if it was from the Irish Water board of management and was set in stone.
lorweld wrote: » Another point is if, as in my case in a block of apartments that aren't metered and are fed from one pipe how are they going to reduce flow to one apartment if they don't pay!
Banjo String wrote: » You keep on at this, but I've yet to hear your explanation on how exactly Irish Water could reduce an unmetered home. I'm not a plumber, but I'm pretty sure it's next to impossible, and all the huffing and puffing by Govt supporters won't change this one. Unless of course you actually have details on how they'll do this? In that case, I'm all ears.
RobertKK wrote: » It is not double taxation. It has been free water. I pay taxes and had to pay for water since I am not on a public water meter due to living in rural Ireland. The electricity bill to run the pump averages €28 a month as it is away from the house and has its own ESB meter. Then there is the cost of repairs and between everything costs at least €500 a year, as certain parts seem to wear on fast due to the acidity of the water. Water had been free for the majority and now everyone pays for their water whether with Irish water, a group scheme or a private well. No such thing as free water or taxes have been paid for the water, otherwise people not on public supplies would be due refunds.
Banjo String wrote: » Water never was free. You know the water depts in local or County councils? Their job was to maintain and run the water services, if a water leak emerged, they were called upon to fix it. They are the people being kept on for a time because they have the in-depth knowledge of where and how the infrastructure is. They were paid for from income tax, from vat, and from motor tax and also from commercial rates, all of which I / we contributed to. As for your situation ref paying for a private water scheme, this is due to the fact you live in a rural part of the country, not connected to the mains (by choice I presume?) Young will prob take some solace from the fact that your lpt will be (prob) considerably lower than urban dwellers, especially those in Dublin who will be contributing towards services delivered to the sparsely populated areas of the Island. Swings and roundabouts I suppose.
Banjo String wrote: » Have you been metered yet?
