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Ian Paisley has died

Reoil

RIP the big man.
Wonder what the reaction will be up here!

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jaykay74

The worst Paisley of all.

The town Paisley in Scotland is meant to be nice. Nothing bad to say about Paisley the pattern. A lot of decent music has come out of Paisley Park. Bob Paisley, while not a Liverpool fan seemed decent enough.

Skullface McGubbin

Never have I seen so many Ian Paisly threads on after hours in a single day.

[Deleted User]

murpho999 wrote: »

Peoples posts claiming to him be bitter or bigoted really are ironic in my opinion.

His politics were of his beliefs at the time and he had support.

He changed later and supported the peace process which was a huge step and a political risk to take.

The hatred posted here is the same crap that caused all the problems in the North. Time to move on.

Lol, look at you being better than everyone else.

seamus

murpho999 wrote: »

His politics were of his beliefs at the time and he had support.

He changed later and supported the peace process which was a huge step and a political risk to take.

In other words an egomaniacal attention whore who will say and do whatever he thinks will get him the most followers, regardless of how destructive, hateful or divisive it is.

That doesn't make you a good person in any sense of the word.

cournioni

murpho999 wrote: »

He changed later and supported the peace process which was a huge step and a political risk to take.

What? He "changed" when his political career was all but over.

baldbear

Heaven says NO!

Busted Flat.

allthedoyles wrote: »

He stirred it up a lot in his earlier years , but mellowed a lot in later years - R I P Anyway

He had a nightmare before he mellowed, his dream was his elevator was one way, and that was down. wonder did he get the control panel changed in time.

gimmick

murpho999 wrote: »

Peoples posts claiming to him be bitter or bigoted really are ironic in my opinion.

His politics were of his beliefs at the time and he had support.

He changed later and supported the peace process which was a huge step and a political risk to take.

The hatred posted here is the same crap that caused all the problems in the North. Time to move on.

So he was a good man overall so is it?

Elmer Blooker

he could only have died on the "twelfth" !

Billy86

Skullface McGubbin wrote: »

Never have I seen so many Ian Paisly threads on after hours in a single day.

And never will you again.

[Deleted User]

Remember guys, despising someone for their well-documented actions makes you no better than a bigot. Somehow.

anncoates

murpho999 wrote: »

Peoples posts claiming to him be bitter or bigoted really are ironic in my opinion.

His politics were of his beliefs at the time and he had support.

He changed later and supported the peace process which was a huge step and a political risk to take.

The hatred posted here is the same crap that caused all the problems in the North. Time to move on.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttgBMtNdChs

cournioni

Anyhoo, RIP William Ulsterman.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxpYW_w5pgo

bear1

I think this comment sums it up perfectly:

And so it ends. While I had no respect whatsoever for this man in life, my sympathies go out to his family. There should be no gloating over his passing, no point scoring. There will no doubt be much written, documentaries made of his life and the usual post mortem hoopla, the least said now about him the better. He has gone, let him rest in peace. His is a legacy we could well do without.

+1

porsche959

Always had the impression the British establishment were mystified and rather embarassed by Paisley and the Christian fundamentalist tradition he embodied, particularly in his younger days. Compared to that, making peace with the likes of Adams and McGuinness was like a walk in the park.

SpaceTime

I think there's definitely two sides to him though. The local, friendly, loud, very hospitable man and the fire and brimstone anti-catholic and anti-nationalist rants he was quite capable of.

I genuinely think though that he came around to a new point of view in his old age as the peace process rolled on.

Also when you look back on it from 2014 you can see he may have had a few valid points about Archbishop McQuaid & co (though not necessarily Rome) running the Republic back in the 50s & 60s.

He went way, way too far though.

In a way I think a United Ireland might have balanced out religious extremism on both sides.
Or, I suppose they also could have all come together as a scary extreme Christian state ... (Shudders - scary thought!)

ireland.man

"This demand for respectful silence in the wake of a public figure's death is not just misguided but dangerous. That one should not speak ill of the dead is arguably appropriate when a private person dies, but it is wildly inappropriate for the death of a controversial public figure, particularly one who wielded significant influence and political power."

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/apr/08/margaret-thatcher-death-etiquette

I think we need to resist attempts to whitewash Paisley's record, his support for the ethnic cleansing of Milosevic, how his anti-Catholic work had reall negative effects, his anti-Semitism, etc etc. I've a feeling we're going to be seeing a lot of Disney-esque reviews of his life from RTE, BBC, etc...

Dozen Wicked Words

I didn't like the man, but he did change a bit in later life, seemed to get dementia in reverse, from a lunatic, ranting bigot to a more mellow, jovial individual.

Nice touch from Martin McGuinness on his twitter.

Check out @M_McGuinness_SF's Tweet: https://twitter.com/M_McGuinness_SF/status/510395847298023424

Reoil

Martin McGuinness:

"Over a number of decades we were political opponents and held very different views on many, many issues but the one thing we were absolutely united on was the principle that our people were better able to govern themselves than any British government."

dgt

Popular man in AH, half the threads in here are about him....

RIP

[Deleted User]

SpaceTime wrote: »

I think there's definitely two sides to him though. The local, friendly, loud, very hospitable man and the fire and brimstone anti-catholic and anti-nationalist rants he was quite capable of.

Bigots tend to be nice to some people.

Frank Lee Midere

You have to judge a long life by the end of it. If Nelson Mandela died in prison he would have remembered as a firey anti-white terrorist radical on par with Malcom X.

Same goes for Adams. Judge the entire life.

LostBoy101

He was nice in his later years 'cause he was fighting a lost battle with his bigotry. It's called bringing your enemies closer.

Thargor

desbrook wrote: »

RTE radio 1 playing "ring of fire " ...cheeky !!!

I heard that aswell walking back to work, I was wondering if anyone else would make the connection...

[Deleted User]

Reoil wrote: »

Martin McGuinness:

"Over a number of decades we were political opponents and held very different views on many, many issues but the one thing we were absolutely united on was the principle that our people were better able to govern themselves than any British government."

TBH the "mourning" on the Republican side sickens me somewhat. However I hope that that's a sly dig at how his Paisley's refusal to compromise in the 70s ultimately undermined the Loyalist elite going forward.

jaffusmax

murpho999 wrote: »

Peoples posts claiming to him be bitter or bigoted really are ironic in my opinion.

His politics were of his beliefs at the time and he had support.

He changed later and supported the peace process which was a huge step and a political risk to take.

The hatred posted here is the same crap that caused all the problems in the North. Time to move on.

No! the same same people whom brought to a close the Troubles were also mainly the ones that were causing it Paisley included!

Most of us had to sit stand back while these people were tearing this island apart!

Grab All Association

Day of mourning for sure in Dublin/West Britain.

The Backwards Man

It's a bad sign when Martin McGuinness proves himself to have more dignity and respect than half the posters of AH

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo

baldbear wrote: »

Heaven says NO!

Post of the day. :pac:

Timberrrrrrrr

Whether you agree or not he fought for the people he represented the same as Adams and McGuinness. I won't lose any sleep over his passing but i also wouldn't throw out hateful posts.