seamus wrote: » In a civil case where you're being sued for damages, the outcome of the case only weighs on the balance of probabilities. If the meter outside your house is intentionally damaged, it's most probable that you did it, because who else would? Therefore they'd have a good chance to win a civil case against you.
Banjo String wrote: » Really? Even though it's located on the public pathways and roads of the country that anyone can access? It's not the same as your gas meter or ESB meter which is usually in or on private property.
Do you know who does be on your road all day, or what they do be doing? Because I don't.
Yawns wrote: » I'm renting, I don't have the authority and can't get in touch with my LL. It's not covered under my lease. If IW don't have my name, will this not just end up like the whole TV Licence thing?
geeksauce wrote: » Of course you don't as that would be completely ridiculous there would be another meter at your new house, plus if you attempted to take it with you 1. you would be a complete clown to even think that it would be a plausible thing to do, even suggesting that here seems a bit ridiculous tbh and makes me wonder what exactly you were thinking when you came up with that nonsense. 2. Taking it with you or attempting to take it with you would most likely result in a serious injury due to you know the electricity!! 3. You would be prosecuted for tampering with it
practice wrote: » A quote from the water act 2013 "In this regard, the Act provides BGÉ and Irish Water/Uisce Éireann with the necessary powers to obtain information from households in receipt of water services and other third parties for the purpose of creating a customer database." Does anyone know what information I am legally obliged to give. If I have a meter and the charge is based on usage does it mater if 1 or 10 people live in a house. I imagine they will tell me the household allowance will be stopped if I do not register, can they do this.
Banjo String wrote: » What would happen in a scenario, if a family, not necessarily opposed to Irish Water charges, and fully paid bills get their meters tampered with/damaged? By Whom you might ask. Kids. Neighbours with a grudge. Any of the various anti water charges groups?
Yawns wrote: » At least they have some way to do it. Do you have a link to this legislation? How come they can't do this for the TV Licence?
Pumpkinseeds wrote: » There is no reason for Irish Water to request PPS numbers. It's just another utility bill. I don't want to pay for water but I will, there's no point in fighting it, it's done. I do however, object to and resent the idea of providing them with my PPS number, that's taking things a step too far.
seamus wrote: » I'm pretty sure that you will have the option to not supply your PPSN, in which case you'll be provided with the water allowance for a single individual living on their own. Or more likely, you'll be given no allowance at all, as they assume no PPSN == no residents. In reality they require the PPSN in order to verify that you have X number of people living in your property and avoid the scams where people tell the social that their partner doesn't live there and tell Irish water that all 3 of their partners live there. It's to save the customer money in the long run.
hawthorn wrote: » I'm just presuming that as the meters are installed outside the house and underground, that we have no way of "reading" our own meter, at least with electricity we can actually check it. What if we dispute the amount we use against the amount billed? Im sure these things can make mistakes. h
lorenzo87 wrote: » For anyone complaining about the water charges, go look at the UK, they pay far more than we do on water charges, council tax and all the extra add on's. Take it on the chin and get on with it, because bitching about it is going to get us nowhere. We do waste an awful lot of water, maybe now people will treat our natural resources with a little bit of respect.
darkpagandeath wrote: » Are you sure about that, We will have one of the highest water charges in the whole EU at the outset.
AlanS181824 wrote: » I wonder if paying for the stuff that's all around us will finally fix the lime issue in my area... I can literally go through kettles every 2 to 3 weeks! It's a disgrace, I have to use a little sieve just to get a cup of tea!How many years until we have a "quality of air" tax? I could honestly see it now, it's needed to make sure Ireland's air remains pure, no smog! Feck Irish Water.
S.O wrote: » On a water charges related note, Simon Coveney while giving an interview on newstalk this morning said (at the moment Irish taxpayers are paying about 1.2 billion euros for the cost of water, water is not free at the moment) His comment contradicts the argument some people make on internet forums that water is somehow free and now all of a sudden we need to pay for it, when we already paying for it through general taxation.
Oscar Gateaux wrote: » It's a disgrace. Is this what James Connolly and Patrick Pearse died for?
lorenzo87 wrote: » Positive. The council tax in the UK alone averages £120 (€155) per month per household, nearly £1,500 per annum. The average water charge is then £20 per month on top of that.... So our water charges at 250-300 euro or whatever it is plus 300 for the bins sounds a lot more lucrative than living in the UK.
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Banjo String wrote: » Look what lies in store (possibly) for those that submit pps numbers. Why anyone would willingly consent to this is madness. Are they actually telling us that they'll prob be sold off in the near future, and when that happens, they'll pass your details on?
Ogham wrote: » Mostly bog standard data protection stuff - similar to many others.
Banjo String wrote: » Its just the utility providers requesting a pps number in the first place is odd so.
