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Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2014 - Mod Note in OP, 1/09

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Luckycharms_74

I meant to post this last night :P

Underpaid Mike

Good interview with Enrique and how he is happy to fight for his place

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/liverpool-fc-left-back-enrique-knows-7704386

Dickerty

Underpaid Mike wrote: »

Good interview with Enrique and how he is happy to fight for his place

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/liverpool-fc-left-back-enrique-knows-7704386

I think he'll be a useful bench option. He linked very well with Coutinho in the 5 months after the latter arrived, created a few goals. So when we need real width on the left, he can give that while also protecting Moreno. As Hendo can do on the right.

When he's fit, he's a solid squad player.

taidghbaby

Dickerty wrote: »

I think he'll be a useful bench option. He linked very well with Coutinho in the 5 months after the latter arrived, created a few goals. So when we need real width on the left, he can give that while also protecting Moreno. As Hendo can do on the right.

When he's fit, he's a solid squad player.

Not forgetting those magnificent guns!!

It may have already been mentioned here but the difference in sturridge (albeit in a very small sample size) when he has someone up top with him is huge! He is really not a target man at all but when he can drift wide and drop deep and then get turned and running at opposition defences he is very very dangerous IMO!

Harry Palmr

Suso has been quite overlooked! He'll be star for the U21s along will Borini this season

Seriously I hope he gets a few cups games and is then loaned when the League window opens.

Dickerty

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Suso has been quite overlooked! He'll be star for the U21s along will Borini this season

Seriously I hope he gets a few cups games and is then loaned when the League window opens.

I am sure they were both told that their games will be limited, but I can understand them not wanting to leave Liverpool - it's all downhill from there!
I hope Borini gets the head down and earns his place in the side occasionaly. I don't know where Suso fits in, maybe as cover for injuries and in cup games?
I don't think he's going to get a sniff...

Kess73

Our 2014 summer window. Fees are appox and nicked from another fan site

Players IN:

Rickie Lambert – Forward – Southampton – £4m
Emre Can – Midfielder – Bayer Leverkusen – £10m
Adam Lallana – Midfielder – Southampton – £25m
Lazar Markovic – Forward/Winger – Benfica – £20m
Dejan Lovren – Defender – Southampton – £20m
Divock Origi – Forward – Lille – £10m
Javier Manquillo – Right-back – Atletico Madrid – Loan
Alberto Moreno – Left-back – Sevilla – £12m
Mario Balotelli – Forward – AC Milan – £16m

Spent: £117m

Players OUT:

Luis Suarez – Barcelona – £75m
Conor Coady – Huddersfield £375k
Pepe Reina – Bayern Munich – £2m
Martin Kelly – Crystal Palace – £2m
Kris Peterson – FC Utrecht – NA
Jack Robinson – QPR – £1m
Daniel Agger – Brondby – £3m
Kristian Adorjan – Novara Calcio – NA

Received: £83.375m

LOANED:

Luis Alberto – Malaga CF – Season Loan
Iago Aspas – Sevilla – Season Loan
Andre Wisdom – West Brom – Season Loan
Rafa Paez – Bologna – Season Loan
Divock Origi – Lille – Season Loan
Tiago Ilori – Bordeaux – Season Loan
Brad Smith – Swindon Town – Season Loan
Joao Carlos Teixeira – Brighton – Season Loan
Jordon Ibe – Derby County – Season Loan
Sebastian Coates – Sunderland – Season Loan
Ousamma Assaidi – Stoke City – Season Loan

Agent Coulson

Two players or more to cover every postition on the pitch I'm not sure we have ever had a squad that strong in the PL era.

Dickerty

Kess73 wrote: »

Luis Alberto – Will be sold to Spain next summer
Iago Aspas – Will be sold to Spain next summer
Andre Wisdom – Will be sold to an English team next summer
Rafa Paez – Will be sold abroad next summer
Divock Origi – Squad player next season
Tiago Ilori – Squad player next season
Brad Smith – Another loan next season
Joao Carlos Teixeira – Will be sold abroad next summer
Jordon Ibe – Squad player next season
Sebastian Coates – Will be sold abroad next summer
Ousamma Assaidi – Sold next season

My opinion on these. Basically, only Origi, Ilori, Smith and Ibe to be retained.

Harry Palmr

Kess73 wrote: »

Our 2014 summer window. Fees are appox and nicked from another fan site

Have to be quicker than that.

IN

Rickie Lambert
4.00
Emre Can
9.75
Adam Lallana
23.00
Lazar Markovic
19.80
Dejan Lovren
20.00
Divock Origi
10.00
Alberto Moreno
12.00
Mario Balotelli
16.00
Javi Manquillo
Loan

OUT

Sales or released

D. Agger
Brøndby € 4M
Pepe Reina
Bayern München € 3M
C. Coady
Huddersfield N/A
L. Suárez
Barcelona € 81M
J. Sokolik
Yeovil Free
J. Robinson
QPR N/A
K. Peterson
Utrecht N/A
M. Ngoo
Kilmarnock Free
M. Kelly
Crystal-Palace N/A
K. Adorján
Novara N/A

Loans

O Assaidi
Stoke Loan
S. Coates
Sunderland Loan
J. Ibe
Derby Loan
D. Origi
Lille Loan
A. Wisdom
West Bromwich Loan
Iago Aspas
Sevilla Loan
Luis Alberto
Málaga Loan
B. Smith
Swindon Loan
Rafa Páez
Bologna Loan
Tiago Ilori
Bordeaux Loan
João Teixeira----Brighton Loan

Seamu$

Kess73 wrote: »

Our 2014 summer window. Fees are appox and nicked from another fan site

Players IN:

Rickie Lambert – Forward – Southampton – £4m
Emre Can – Midfielder – Bayer Leverkusen – £10m
Adam Lallana – Midfielder – Southampton – £25m
Lazar Markovic – Forward/Winger – Benfica – £20m
Dejan Lovren – Defender – Southampton – £20m
Divock Origi – Forward – Lille – £10m
Javier Manquillo – Right-back – Atletico Madrid – Loan
Alberto Moreno – Left-back – Sevilla – £12m
Mario Balotelli – Forward – AC Milan – £16m

Spent: £117m

Players OUT:

Luis Suarez – Barcelona – £75m
Conor Coady – Huddersfield £375k
Pepe Reina – Bayern Munich – £2m
Martin Kelly – Crystal Palace – £2m
Kris Peterson – FC Utrecht – NA
Jack Robinson – QPR – £1m
Daniel Agger – Brondby – £3m
Kristian Adorjan – Novara Calcio – NA

Received: £83.375m

Net spend :eek: £33.625m

Seamu$

Dickerty wrote: »

My opinion on these. Basically, only Origi, Ilori, Smith and Ibe to be retained.

I think Wisdom and Teix are good enough to be squad players at least as well.

D'Agger

Dickerty wrote: »

My opinion on these. Basically, only Origi, Ilori, Smith and Ibe to be retained.

Swap Smith with Tex - I think we'll keep one of Tex & Suso and tbqh it looks like Suso will run down his contract

Wouldnt' be suprised to see Wisdom kept too - he's a solid player who'd be a very good squad player

RollieFingers

D'Agger wrote: »

Swap Smith with Tex - I think we'll keep one of Tex & Suso and tbqh it looks like Suso will run down his contract

Wouldnt' be suprised to see Wisdom kept too - he's a solid player who'd be a very good squad player

Jimmy Tex has been quality so far for Brighton, lets hope he keeps it up!

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo

Kess73 wrote: »

Our 2014 summer window. Fees are appox and nicked from another fan site

Players IN:

Rickie Lambert – Forward – Southampton – £4m
Emre Can – Midfielder – Bayer Leverkusen – £10m
Adam Lallana – Midfielder – Southampton – £25m
Lazar Markovic – Forward/Winger – Benfica – £20m
Dejan Lovren – Defender – Southampton – £20m
Divock Origi – Forward – Lille – £10m
Javier Manquillo – Right-back – Atletico Madrid – Loan
Alberto Moreno – Left-back – Sevilla – £12m
Mario Balotelli – Forward – AC Milan – £16m

Spent: £117m

Players OUT:

Luis Suarez – Barcelona – £75m
Conor Coady – Huddersfield £375k
Pepe Reina – Bayern Munich – £2m
Martin Kelly – Crystal Palace – £2m
Kris Peterson – FC Utrecht – NA
Jack Robinson – QPR – £1m
Daniel Agger – Brondby – £3m
Kristian Adorjan – Novara Calcio – NA

Received: £83.375m

LOANED:

Luis Alberto – Malaga CF – Season Loan
Iago Aspas – Sevilla – Season Loan
Andre Wisdom – West Brom – Season Loan
Rafa Paez – Bologna – Season Loan
Divock Origi – Lille – Season Loan
Tiago Ilori – Bordeaux – Season Loan
Brad Smith – Swindon Town – Season Loan
Joao Carlos Teixeira – Brighton – Season Loan
Jordon Ibe – Derby County – Season Loan
Sebastian Coates – Sunderland – Season Loan
Ousamma Assaidi – Stoke City – Season Loan

Can we include the £1 million fee we got for Assaidi. Did we get fees for any other of the loanees?

If we had managed to sell Assaidi, Borini and Coates we could have gotten closer to an even net send which would have been incredibe considering we have now got a full squad of players.

klose

Weve pretty much upgraded all our outgoing players bar suarez and also upgraded on current squad players early days obviously but i think so. Really looking forward to the season now, shame tis international break.

witnessmenow

smileyj1987 wrote: »

Danny welbeck 26 games for sunderland and he scored 6 goals . Danny Sturrigde at bolton 12 games played and he scored 8 goals . That says it all to me they would have been played in their preferred positions at a young age and Sturrigde shined for Bolton while welbeck wasn't great at all .

I'm not saying Wellbeck is better than Sturridge, I don't think he is. But stats are not everything. I remember Wellbeck being really good at Sunderland.

I am pie

For me Sturridge is the in form striker in the prem over the last 2 seasons, I wouldnt swap him for anyone on the fact that his return is spectacularly consistent for Liverpool.

I think the international break might be good for Balotelli, 2 more weeks with BR telling him he is a lovely boy will make him feel all warm and fuzzy. 2 more weeks fitness and sharpness, no harm. Might help Gerrard too, I think the fact that he isnt involved was messing with his head a bit, looked subdued and slightly awkward when asked about not being involved. If he does indeed get away for a short break I think he might come back refreshed and ready to go.

Should have enough to get past Villa, Hull were absolutely appalling against them. Flattered a mediocre enough side.

RoboRat

But at some point, we need someone to really control the midfield - when defending, when attacking, whether chasing the game or defending the lead. Stevie does that, maybe Hendo can, but in the next year we need to replace Stevie, and it's going to be a huge decision...

First post on the soccer forum but been looking at the LFC thread for a long time! I really think that lallana could be as good as a young Stevie G but with a more sensible head for the pass. He has bags of energy, creativity and an eye for goal and a pass and also has great endurance. If you had him and Hendo in Mid rotating as the holding player it could cause massive problems.

I also think that we could have the quickest team in the PL, which combined with the creativity will cause no end of problems. I think the BR has been extremely sensible in his purchases and by not buying a marquee signing, he has kept the team balanced - no huge egos causing unrest in the dressing room.

Balotelli could be immense and he reminds me of what Suarez was when he arrived (albeit Suarez was always a workhorse). If BR and his staff manage to reign in Ballotelli and get him to focus on his game, he could be a magnificent signing.

Really happy with the business done and loaning out out prospects rather than selling was a masterstroke.

Underpaid Mike

I am pie wrote: »

For me Sturridge is the in form striker in the prem over the last 2 seasons, I wouldnt swap him for anyone on the fact that his return is spectacularly consistent for Liverpool.

I think the international break might be good for Balotelli, 2 more weeks with BR telling him he is a lovely boy will make him feel all warm and fuzzy. 2 more weeks fitness and sharpness, no harm. Might help Gerrard too, I think the fact that he isnt involved was messing with his head a bit, looked subdued and slightly awkward when asked about not being involved. If he does indeed get away for a short break I think he might come back refreshed and ready to go.

Should have enough to get past Villa, Hull were absolutely appalling against them. Flattered a mediocre enough side.

Two weeks of Mario being in Liveprool and not having to join up with the Italian squad will do him the power of good. I dont want to jinx it but how likely is it that Sturridge gets injured while on England duty? God I hate international breaks, bloody nightmare.

Villa at home then West Ham away is a very VERY winnable 6 points. Goal or two for Mario would put the icing on the cake

joe123

Have to say when you consider we lost our best player this window, this has arguably been one of the best transfer windows I can remember.

I hope Ballotelli can continue like he did at Spurs (with the added shooting boots). That whole deal looks better and better when you look at Arsenal signing Welbeck for the same fee and a reported 100k a week.

Have we ever had this strength in depth before? For all the criticism Ian Ayre takes, he did really well this Summer. All our targets pretty much signed and no panic on deadline day.

I think we would all like to improve our keeper options and have someone to compete with Mignolet but strong rumours that we will sign Valdes around November. Good keeper, used of having the ball at his feet and great experience.

I am not overly upset that we couldn't move Borini on either. He is a good 4th choice option but we will probably never get 12-14 million for him again unless he moves on loan somewhere in January and preforms like he did last season.

Lucas still here too and can't say im disappointed. Will provide cover for Gerrard in that defensive role if need be.

All in all very happy. Such a difference in our squad from last year and this.

Dickerty

D'Agger wrote: »

Swap Smith with Tex - I think we'll keep one of Tex & Suso and tbqh it looks like Suso will run down his contract

I think Suso will do that, no point in signing a new deal when he hasn't even made the 18 yet. As for Teix, I think he is just like Suso - ultimately not going to cut it at this level, will end up at a middling Europa team.

D'Agger wrote: »

Wouldnt' be suprised to see Wisdom kept too - he's a solid player who'd be a very good squad player

I agree, but with Manquillo and Flanagan, and McLoughlin behind, I can't see how he fits in unless he converts to CB. He's not a pacy attacking FB like Rodgers prefers. And he'd command a good fee, and deserves to be a PL starter. I think he''ll do a Steven Warnock, have a good PL career without being at a top club...

Kess73

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo wrote: »

Can we include the £1 million fee we got for Assaidi. Did we get fees for any other of the loanees?

If we had managed to sell Assaidi, Borini and Coates we could have gotten closer to an even net send which would have been incredibe considering we have now got a full squad of players.

Think His was the only loan fee of note we received, and we paid out a loan fee to get Manquillo in.

Kess73

witnessmenow wrote: »

I'm not saying Wellbeck is better than Sturridge, I don't think he is. But stats are not everything. I remember Wellbeck being really good at Sunderland.

Think Welbeck is a player who may have a Sturridge-esque explosions of goals this season if he gets the game time. He is not on Sturridge's level atm, but he may well get there or very close to it.

Was surprised to read this morning that his conversion rate last season was the exact same as that of Sturridge. Both of them came in at 25% give or take.

Dickerty

Seamu$ wrote: »

Net spend :eek: £33.625m

Which we probably cover only from the new deals from Garuda, Dunkin and others, never mind the prize money from last year and new TV money.
Yes, our wage bill would have gone up, but we did remove Suarez, Agger & Reina , which is about 350/400M a week...

Agent Coulson

Seamu$ wrote: »

Net spend :eek: £33.625m

And if we had gotten full market value for Agger and if Broini & Assaidi hadn't stalled on wages it could have been under £10m

joe123

Dickerty wrote: »

Which we probably cover only from the new deals from Garuda, Dunkin and others, never mind the prize money from last year and new TV money.
Yes, our wage bill would have gone up, but we did remove Suarez, Agger & Reina , which is about 350/400M a week...

and here I thought Falcaos wages were bad! :eek:

Dickerty

Kess73 wrote: »

Was surprised to read this morning that his conversion rate last season was the exact same as that of Sturridge. Both of them came in at 25% give or take.

Was Sturridge's that low? I only seem to remember him scoring, not missing!
My selective memory is doing an EXCELLENT job...

Arsenal probably needed to keep an eye on their HG quota as well -

Szczesny
Gibbs
Wilshere
Ramsey
Walcott
Welbeck

Any others?

Kess73

Dickerty wrote: »

Was Sturridge's that low? I only seem to remember him scoring, not missing!
My selective memory is doing an EXCELLENT job...

Arsenal probably needed to keep an eye on their HG quota as well -

Szczesny
Gibbs
Wilshere
Ramsey
Walcott
Welbeck

Any others?

Yep 25% was his average for the season. Then again, he is not afraid to have a crack on goal and will try from all sorts of angles and distances.

noodler

Agent Coulson wrote: »

And if we had gotten full market value for Agger and if Broini & Assaidi hadn't stalled on wages it could have been under £10m

I am fine with that net spend to be honest.

Between us here on boards we could hardly agree on a 40/50m striker. The business we did was decent and already showing dividends.