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The store producers have been cushioned all year long by foolish finishers. It's inevitable that the cushion will be pulled at some stage.
Now before lads go mad at me I have to say I don't condone it.

Cavanjack

simx wrote: »

price for o&p cows today 3.15

Where is that Simx? What about P's?

Roundbale

Butcher Boy wrote: »

And what may I ask is wrong with dealing in piebalds ,sold a few last weak and they went to Holland left a lot more than suckling anyway.

Thought ye learned ye're lesson last year with horse meat....

Farmer Pudsey wrote: »

Over age ''P'' bullocks would be going for around the same and the cows more than likly do not need to be QA

most of them are there 70 day but ill get away with 3 or 4

simx wrote: »

price for o&p cows today 3.15

Over age ''P'' bullocks would be going for around the same and the cows more than likly do not need to be QA

price for o&p cows today 3.15

manjou wrote: »

The short term problem is going to be 2013 cattle are going to be finished earlier to get in spec and this will tail in with 2012 cattle so will keep kill up for a while then bulls will come on stream earlier as 2014 weanlings and autaum 2012 weanlings will all start to finish from after christmas so will be steady stream of cattle till may after that who knows will all depend on how many switch to under 16 month bull beef.

Not too sure if that will be the case kill figures last week, total 32500, 15K were steers,(up 4K on last year) 8K heifers(up 2K) nearly 7K cows ( the same) rest was bulls up a few hundred. Total kill is up over 117K on same period last year. Lots of Bulls were casterated especially fresians so bull kill will not recover to last years figures. Small bull finisher like myself who bought 8-12 months ago for this christmas he is gone out of the market.

Cannot see 2013 cattle filling gap from mid September on. Factory chills were nearly empty start of August so it is unlikly kill will leave huge surplas by mid September. The cattle that traditional fill the gap were overage Friesian these are getting scare on the ground. Its the weather that will decide the autumn price.

Tomorrows rag has an article on winter finishing it is sober reading and loat of lads will be slow filling sheds after reading it.

manjou

The short term problem is going to be 2013 cattle are going to be finished earlier to get in spec and this will tail in with 2012 cattle so will keep kill up for a while then bulls will come on stream earlier as 2014 weanlings and autaum 2012 weanlings will all start to finish from after christmas so will be steady stream of cattle till may after that who knows will all depend on how many switch to under 16 month bull beef.

severeoversteer wrote: »

the suckler farmers will get some shock when they bring their weanlings out for sale this autumn

Maybe, maybe not. Talking to a lad during the week, reckons finished cattle could drop as fast as they have risen 7K in 4 weeks. Factory's are getting too many young cattle steer kill is making up to 50% of kill and cow price is high so they are moving as well. He thinks alot of April and May '12 born cattle are being killed along with February/March.

He think weather will have huge influence from mid September. A dry autumn will force up prices while 2013 cattle may come on stream farmers will be reluctant to kill same if weather is OK

tanko wrote: »

Jaysus muckit, I hope you're joking here. I saw top quality 450kg sim x ch bulls sold for €2.25/kg this week. Weanlings are being sold for less than what it costs to produce them. What more do buyers want? Do finishers think that they are entitled to a profit but it's ok for the suckler farmer to sell for a loss?

If things continue the way they are, lads looking to buy quality weanlings will go to the mart in sept/cot and there won't be any there.

Unless the greedy processors and supermarkets are willing to pay a fair price for beef were all screwed anyway.

The issue is that finishers are taking a huge hit since last Christmas. No cattle are leaving a margin. Bank balances are well hit. Lads are selling anything from 2-400 less than last year on average. A load have thrown in the towel and sold cattle over last 2-3 weeks on the strenght of a projected weak store price. Also weak bull trade takes most efficient animal out of play.

However they forget that they will maybe competing with factory's during Oct/nov for forward stores. A 550-580 kg R- bullock killing 2+ fat grade could be making 1150 in the factory's so quality store might not be as cheap as fellas think

tanko

Muckit wrote: »

Oh they are probably in the lairage as we speak but feck it ta hell twas shocking money for such fine cattle.

Suckler lads need not be living in cuckoo land in another few weeks. This sh*t needs to percolate down to the bottom.

Jaysus muckit, I hope you're joking here. I saw top quality 450kg sim x ch bulls sold for €2.11/kg this week. Weanlings are being sold for less than what it costs to produce them. What more do buyers want? Do finishers think that they are entitled to a profit but it's ok for the suckler farmer to sell for a loss?

If things continue the way they are, lads looking to buy quality weanlings will go to the mart in sept/cot and there won't be any there.

Unless the greedy processors and supermarkets are willing to pay a fair price for beef were all screwed anyway.

the suckler farmers will get some shock when they bring their weanlings out for sale this autumn

Muckit wrote: »

Oh they are probably in the lairage as we speak but feck it ta hell twas shocking money for such fine cattle.

Suckler lads need not be living in cuckoo land in another few weeks. This sh*t needs to percolate down to the bottom.

I was at Ballinasloe weanling sale last Saturday

I was in the bull ring and almost nothing was sold, they then started running them through a second time and I didn't hang around for that

the heifer and cow ring was jammed with people, not many looking for bull weanlings though

Muckit

Oh they are probably in the lairage as we speak but feck it ta hell twas shocking money for such fine cattle.

Suckler lads need not be living in cuckoo land in another few weeks. This sh*t needs to percolate down to the bottom.

Muckit wrote: »

Went in at lunchtime to have a look at the trade in bsloe. In hindsight I should have gave it a miss and took my time eating the lunch!

Lovely pen of well done spring '12 ch heifers came in, all up on the 680-700kg. All on to break the 1300 mark.

I came away depressed out of it! Had it all on to keep the dinner down. But as the man says 'thats the price of them' atm.

if were spring 12 they wouldn't be qa for the next farmer that buys them as the 70 days would expire and theyd be over 30 months

the only buyer for them was the factory!!

Muckit wrote: »

Went in at lunchtime to have a look at the trade in bsloe. In hindsight I should have gave it a miss and took my time eating the lunch!

Lovely pen of well done spring '12 ch heifers came in, all up on the 680-700kg. All on to break the 1300 mark.

I came away depressed out of it! Had it all on to keep the dinner down. But as the man says 'thats the price of them' atm.

They make 60-90 more in the factory, that would be the dealers margin and costs.

Muckit

Went in at lunchtime to have a look at the trade in bsloe. In hindsight I should have gave it a miss and took my time eating the lunch!

Lovely pen of well done spring '12 ch heifers came in, all up on the 680-700kg. All on to break the 1300 mark.

I came away depressed out of it! Had it all on to keep the dinner down. But as the man says 'thats the price of them' atm.

TUBBY

Butcher Boy wrote: »

And what may I ask is wrong with dealing in piebalds ,sold a few last weak and they went to Holland left a lot more than suckling anyway.

Sure ya could have lost money on them and that would still be true BB

Butcher Boy

Willfarman wrote: »

That young lad would be better suited to dealing piebalds! Ah the cow trade isn't simple when numbers are small.

And what may I ask is wrong with dealing in piebalds ,sold a few last weak and they went to Holland left a lot more than suckling anyway.

Willfarman wrote: »

That young lad would be better suited to dealing piebalds! Ah the cow trade isn't simple when numbers are small.

He'd fit in in any halting site with many more ha, ya can say that again

simx wrote: »

Some prime boys around that ring alright, I especially have a soft spot for a young lad over to the right hand side, a proper gent ...... Mr.a and the other man have very bad blood between them. Polling going on in every mart

That young lad would be better suited to dealing piebalds! Ah the cow trade isn't simple when numbers are small.

Willfarman wrote: »

The jobbers were impossible to contain today. It seemed they have customers waiting. Yes I see mr a frequenting the last few weeks.

Some prime boys around that ring alright, I especially have a soft spot for a young lad over to the right hand side, a proper gent

...... Mr.a and the other man have very bad blood between them. Polling going on in every mart

simx wrote: »

Oh they sound like their full value, does be a lot of bad hoors of cattle there too IMO, I see mr.A is going there now too, himself and mr.H will drive cow trade wrong

The jobbers were impossible to contain today. It seemed they have customers waiting. Yes I see mr a frequenting the last few weeks.

Willfarman wrote: »

Only seen a few. Good fleshy fr cow 610kgs €790. Holstein Cow same man 630 kgs €840. She was 09 so maybe lad hoped she'd fatten. Big Holstein stockbull 850kg €1040. A superb big sim cow something over 800kgs something over 1400 in money.. Belonged to a local town councillor. More bidders than were cattle. I got nothing.

Oh they sound like their full value, does be a lot of bad hoors of cattle there too IMO, I see mr.A is going there now too, himself and mr.H will drive cow trade wrong

Muckit wrote: »

Sorry no such thing as 'yellow', it's 'yellaa'!! Ye talk very posh around loughrea!

was going to call them golden charolais but I thought someone would take the piss!!:D

youd probably spot my farm a mile away with all the butty golden steers in the fields;)

ellewood

tanko wrote: »

At least that

Someone codding someone along the way so..

tanko

ellewood wrote: »

Would u have to have to be getting E3.80-3.90/kg for them to killl into the same money in factory??

At least that

ellewood

tanko wrote: »

I saw a couple of u grade continental cows over 700kgs making €2.03/kg today. Does anyone know where these cows are ending up?

Would u have to have to be getting E3.80-3.90/kg for them to killl into the same money in factory??

Muckit

severeoversteer wrote: »

how much were 2013 yellow chx stores going?? bout 550kg

Sorry no such thing as 'yellow', it's 'yellaa'!! Ye talk very posh around loughrea!

tanko

severeoversteer wrote: »

how much were 2013 yellow chx stores going?? bout 550kg

About 1150 for early 2013 ones I saw today.