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STOVES questions and answers here(see mod note in post 1)

paddy147

The amount of threads getting posted each day about stoves is unreal and taking away from other plumbing issues.

Can I suggest to the members and also the mods a dedicated "sticky" thread about stoves and nothing else.

Thanks.:)

Hi Folks. This sticky has been suggested by a regular poster and contributed to quite well. It seems to have generated a lot of interest. While advertising is not permitted under forum charter a balanced view of multiple suppliers is allowed. The rule of thumb is if you are unsure just ask. But keeping it simple and discussing the techanical details of multiple suppliers will be safe. Keep pricing out of the thread and only reply if requested to by PM -Personal message. An instant permant ban will result for breach of charter on advertising.

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therealmccoy

Hi Moggaman,

Yes, the Westcott 12 is Solid Fuel.
It is Chinese built but they give an extended 10 year warranty over their stoves so stand over them very well.

Would cost around 700-800 for the stove.

Moggaman wrote: »

Hi. Was wondering does anyone have a review on Dimplex Westcott 12kw solid fuel stove. Are they manufactured in ire/ uk... Are they a solid stove?
Am thinking about buying .

therealmccoy

Hi Martin,

The Cairo is a cracking stove.
You'll struggle to find a better stove (like for like) for the price of the Cairo.

Robust and durable, can take a lot of punishment and keep going.

martin6651 wrote: »

Any one heard of Mazona Stoves. I'm looking at the Cairo version so would like any comments of same before I commit to purchase.

Sanchez83

Hi Entonces,

I would agree with the real McCoy and go for something like the Inis if your pocket allows as it's a bit pricier.But at least you can be 100% sure it will do the job rather than taking a chance on the Boru.
I wouldn't be a fan of Boru myself but they are ok.There would be no comparison in quality between an Inis and a Boru.
Where abouts are you in the country?

martin6651

Thank's therealmccoy

springer111

Hi guys. Looking for advice on where to put a stove in our new build. It's a bit of an after thought. We have a chimney in a sitting room but would like to install a stove now in the living room of the open plan area to help heat the place. Planning granted for the below plans. Can we still build a chimney some where?? Put a flue coming through roof. What are our options and location options.??

Thanks for any advice

How do I post pics of plans

Sanchez83

Hi Springer,

I'd imagine you should be able to go out through the wall with a twin wall flue going outside and up acting as a chimney.
Ask your local stove shop if they have someone who will come out to survey it and advise you.Most will do it free of charge if you purchase the stove from them.
If you let me know where you are I can point you in the direction of someone who can help you.

springer111

I am in cork. Thank you. My only concern is the minimum
Flue height and I don't fancy a flue miles up in the air :-)
and it's on a lower pitched bit of roof than the rest of house and veluxs nearby. Will that matter. Would love to attach pics but can't figure out how

Entonces

Sanchez83 wrote: »

Hi Entonces,

I would agree with the real McCoy and go for something like the Inis if your pocket allows as it's a bit pricier.But at least you can be 100% sure it will do the job rather than taking a chance on the Boru.
I wouldn't be a fan of Boru myself but they are ok.There would be no comparison in quality between an Inis and a Boru.
Where abouts are you in the country?

Thanks realmccoy and Sanchez. I haven't heard of this model before. I'll check it out tomorrow.
Research was taking me towards the Stratford eb12 or 16 and the Charnwood country 16b. Charnwood is 9kw and 9kw which I like the sound of. The living area would be cosy while the other rooms are getting warmed too. I could turn on oil for 30 mins to really heat the place. Both seem better suited than the boru anyway. Would you rate Charnwood/12b v the inis?
I'm in limerick and looking to make decision and hopefully purchase this week
Thanks again, you guys rock

springer111

Thanks a million Sanchez. We are only starting the build now so hoping I can plan it now so it doesn't look too bad. The position of the flue would look very bad if we went that route and it would have to go that high. Can you build an internal chimney even though it wasn't in plans. Have read you don't need planning permission for a chimney of part of a heating system??

Pumpkinseeds

I'm in Clare and will be looking for a multi-fuel stove to heat the water and radiators. There are 2 double rads and 5 single rads. We've got an open fireplace and oil heating. It's a 2 storey terraced house and recommendations would be appreciated.

Sanchez83

To be honest Springer I'm not sure about the internal chimney.
Those new building regs will take me another few months to get through

A builder would really be the best person to ask that question or give the 2 shops a ring and see what they think.

Sanchez83

Hi Pumpinkinseeds.
How big is the room where the stove will be?
Is it an insert boiler you are after or a freestanding boiler?

cowhands

We recently built and 1 story extension onto our semi d house. We got a guy to install a stove in the extension. We lit a small fire as instructed and sat there feeling grand!
Next day our adjoining neighbours knocked in and complained about our smoke blowing into their windows.

The more I look at our flue the greater worry comes over me. Please see my pictures attached.

We spoke to the guy who installed the stove and he suggests going higher with the flue to try solve our neighbours issues- any suggestions / recommendations / HELP??!

irishproduce

@ Cowhands
I am going to be building an extension hopefully in coming year and one thing that I was advised by builders is that my extension is going to need a chimney because the stove flue would have to go up to the same height as the existing roof otherwise my neighbours would get destroyed. I wanted to have a stove on gable end of extension like you but instead, it is looking like mine will have to go flush to the house existing gable.
Just my opinion cowhands. Hope you find a solution.

paulers06

I'm probably asking how long a piece of string is but....

We just bought an ex NAMA 3 bed Semi D. The site has been bought by developers and they are finishing the houses. Typical modern day 3 bed - not big at all. All that exists is the shell of the building with windows and roof. Was sealed before the recession when they downed tools. All that's done internally is a couple of frames of the internal walls. We're signing the contracts this week and should get floor plans etc then.

We're going to request to put in a stove & back boiler to heat rads and water. The house is due to be plumbed for gas so obviously there is going to be an extra cost to incorporate this too. I'm guessing we'll have a dual gas/stove heating system going

My question is, does anyone have experience with getting this done in a new build? Do developers charge an arm and a leg for it? Am hoping it won't be a huge extra since we're requesting at the beginning of the fit out. The concrete flooring has already gone down

Pumpkinseeds

Sanchez83 wrote: »

Hi Pumpinkinseeds.
How big is the room where the stove will be?
Is it an insert boiler you are after or a freestanding boiler?

I'm not actually sure of the measurements off the top of my head. One of my main concerns is that the living room is very narrow, it would be a very tight squeeze to put a coffee table in the space between the sofa and existing fire place. We had a chimney fire last year and the chimney lining cracked. A relative owns the house and is leaning towards having the stove installed rather than relining the chimney.

In all honesty I'd rather just reline the chimney as I think the room would just be too hot with a stove. I kind of think it would be a bit of a white elephant that dominates the room and barely gets used. Are stoves honestly all they're hyped up to be? Just out of curiosity does anyone have any idea what relining a chimney would cost?

Sanchez83

The chimney will have to be relined either way I reckon,stove or no stove.

cowhands

Thanks irishproduce...anyone else?

Robbie.G

cowhands wrote: »

We recently built and 1 story extension onto our semi d house. We got a guy to install a stove in the extension. We lit a small fire as instructed and sat there feeling grand!
Next day our adjoining neighbours knocked in and complained about our smoke blowing into their windows.

The more I look at our flue the greater worry comes over me. Please see my pictures attached.

We spoke to the guy who installed the stove and he suggests going higher with the flue to try solve our neighbours issues- any suggestions / recommendations / HELP??!

The flue has to be raised.
The min flue height on most stoves is 5.5mtrs for it to work properly.

cowhands

Robbie.G wrote: »

The flue has to be raised.
The min flue height on most stoves is 5.5mtrs for it to work properly.

Thanks Robbie - Im a bit concerned as to the fella that installed it , not sure he knew what he was doing now!

When you say 5.5 meters - is that from the top of the stove??

Entonces

Sanchez83 wrote: »

Hi Entonces,
The Charnwood 16B is 13kw to the water and in reality 6kw to the room.8kw to the room is the higher end of that estimation but that depends on quality of fuel etc.
Excellent stove though to be fair.
Equally as good the Stratford EB 16.
To be honest I would have no problem recommending any of three but expect to pay a nice few bob for them.
Ryan Stoves just outside Limerick would do both the Charnwood and Stratford.
Livingstone stoves on the dock rd do Inis and Stratford to the best of my knowledge.

Thanks Sanchez I hadn't heard of livingstone before I'll give them a shout. It's hard to make the call but I'm sure they will all do the job. Let you know what I go with when I finally make the call.
Gracias

Robbie.G

cowhands wrote: »

Thanks Robbie - Im a bit concerned as to the fella that installed it , not sure he knew what he was doing now!

When you say 5.5 meters - is that from the top of the stove??

Yes from the top of stove. I would think looking at it it probably needs about another metre of flue on it.
Then you will also need a base support for the flue and ideally a 135 degree tee to allow for sweeping flue

Pumpkinseeds

Sanchez83 wrote: »

The chimney will have to be relined either way I reckon,stove or no stove.

I thought it might need to be. I've chatted to a few relatives who have stoves and I think for us it's just more hassle than it's worth to have a stove put in. At this point it's a case of just relining the chimney and putting a new surround on it or taking the surround and mantlepiece away and just having it sealed up and replastered. Tbh, if I had my way we'd just seal it up and stick with the oil heating.

Robbie.G

Pumpkinseeds wrote: »

I thought it might need to be. I've chatted to a few relatives who have stoves and I think for us it's just more hassle than it's worth to have a stove put in. At this point it's a case of just relining the chimney and putting a new surround on it or taking the surround and mantlepiece away and just having it sealed up and replastered. Tbh, if I had my way we'd just seal it up and stick with the oil heating.

If you want to reline your chimney for use as an open fire the liner has to be 8 inch
And it's a specialist job.I fit stoves and liners but not for an open fire I needed one done and they were talking around €2000 it was cheaper to put in a stove and line chimney for stove

Pumpkinseeds

Robbie.G wrote: »

If you want to reline your chimney for use as an open fire the liner has to be 8 inch
And it's a specialist job.I fit stoves and liners but not for an open fire I needed one done and they were talking around €2000 it was cheaper to put in a stove and line chimney for stove

:eek: In that case we'll definitely be sealing the chimney off and sticking with the oil heating. We've a lot of other more practical things to spend 2 grand on.

cowhands

Robbie.G wrote: »

Yes from the top of stove. I would think looking at it it probably needs about another metre of flue on it.
Then you will also need a base support for the flue and ideally a 135 degree tee to allow for sweeping flue

Thanks again Robbie, I was told I couldn't retro fit a debris collection thingy (seems this was forgotten too!) on the end of the flue because it was too near the eaves of the house- is this the same for the 135 degree?? (Very clueless as u can tell and getting worried the job wasn't done properly)

Robbie.G

cowhands wrote: »

Thanks again Robbie, I was told I couldn't retro fit a debris collection thingy (seems this was forgotten too!) on the end of the flue because it was too near the eaves of the house- is this the same for the 135 degree?? (Very clueless as u can tell and getting worried the job wasn't done properly)

When you come out of the wall a
135 degree tee is fitted instead of the 45 degree bend that's there then a base support is fitted to carry the weight of the flue stack
The 135 tee acts as a sweeping point and a debree collection point
I

3frog

Hi all,
I'm wondering if anyone can comment on the Joule 5 stove.
What are people's experiences?
How does it compare to other small freestanding multi fuel stoves available in Ireland?
Thanks for your time,

Frog.

cowhands

Robbie.G wrote: »

When you come out of the wall a
135 degree tee is fitted instead of the 45 degree bend that's there then a base support is fitted to carry the weight of the flue stack
The 135 tee acts as a sweeping point and a debree collection point
I

Again thanks Robbie. So what I have at the moment is incorrect/un-functional?

Robbie.G

cowhands wrote: »

Again thanks Robbie. So what I have at the moment is incorrect/un-functional?

It's very hard to say but from what I've seen it's not completely right.