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why the rise in anti semitism in Europe?

lufties

Especially in France, Is it because of what is happening in Israel currently or a backlash due to zionist globists?

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smash

Just because people are pissed off and appaled with what the zionists in Israel are doing, it doesn't mean they're anti semite!

FloatingVoter

It was always there. Seething beneath the surface. Plenty of normal people are pissed off with the Israelis over the current crisis. However antisemitism in Europe can be tracked back centuries. Ironically, in the days of Saladin (c.1200 ?), Jews found more tolerance in the middle east.

Nodin

lufties wrote: »

Especially in France, Is it because of what is happening in Israel currently or a backlash due to zionist globists?

Assholes think Jews=Israel, essentially.

hatrickpatrick

Firstly define anti-Semitism. Secondly, if we're talking about true anti-Semitism, it's akin to worldwide dislike of Muslims because of what Al Qaeda did - moronic and extremely unhelpful bullsh!t.

krudler

You can be anti-Zionist without being anti-Semitic ya know.

johnnyskeleton

krudler wrote: »

You can be anti-Zionist without being anti-Semitic ya know.

I assume hes talking about the recent attacks on synagogues in france and germany

RustyNut

Nodin wrote: »

Assholes think Jews=Israel, essentially.

And play right into the zionists hands, the rise of antisemitism in europe suits the zionists down to the ground.

FloatingVoter

The whole Zionist tag leaves a bad taste when I hear it. It was used and abused by some goosesteppers in Germany. It makes an otherwise convincing argument against Israeli actions sound like a Goebbels broadcast.

RustyNut

FloatingVoter wrote: »

The whole Zionist tag leaves a bad taste when I hear it. It was used and abused by some goosesteppers in Germany. It makes an otherwise convincing argument against Israeli actions sound like a Goebbels broadcast.

I posted this in another thread but it is informative on the subject of zionism.

Philo Beddoe

FloatingVoter wrote: »

The whole Zionist tag leaves a bad taste when I hear it. It was used and abused by some goosesteppers in Germany. It makes an otherwise convincing argument against Israeli actions sound like a Goebbels broadcast.

I know what you mean. I hear the word Zionist used and I'm immediately on my guard for conspiracy theories about 'International Jewry' and the banking system.

Spring Onion

J'accuse!

Larbre34

Funny thing about the French, they have a strong anti-Israel cohort (manifested in lazy anti-semitism) because of attacks on muslim Palestine, yet they are even worse at attacking Muslims in France itself!

C'est contredire.

Larbre34

Sir Jimmy Saville (RIP) was also anti-semetic.

"Rattle, rattle, jewry, jewry" he used to warn.....

FloatingVoter

Larbre34 wrote: »

Sir Jimmy Saville (RIP) was also anti-semetic.

"Rattle, rattle, jewry, jewry" he used to warn.....

We're gonna need a Godwins law for that waste of skin but it doesn't surprise me. Actually, a complete list of what he was for and against would save me a lot of time. I'll just do the opposite.

wp_rathead

Unfort alot of these groups and individuals hijack legitimate Gaza-Solidarity marches

lufties

krudler wrote: »

You can be anti-Zionist without being anti-Semitic ya know.

Yes, I agree..its quite obvious that zionists are in elitist positions worldwide, controlling things. I really don't get their obsession with money and power. Ordinary innocent jews are feeling the brunt of this backlash which is sad.

super_furry

There is a deliberate effort by many, including some in the media, to blur the lines between anti-Israel sentiment and anti-Semitism.

bumper234

johnnyskeleton wrote: »

I assume hes talking about the recent attacks on synagogues in france and germany

Yet no one ever mentions the attacks on mosques.

Nodin

super_furry wrote: »

There is a deliberate effort by many, including some in the media, to blur the lines between anti-Israel sentiment and anti-Semitism.

Occasionally it descends into parody. They accused Jimmy "Historys greatest monster" Carter of being a Nazi sympathiser, Norman Finkelstein as being a holocaust denier (his mother is a camp survivor).

Awkward Badger

These things usually happen in times of conflict. Same as there was a rise in racism and hatred towards Muslims after 9/11. Idiots looking for excuses to be idiots.

Badly Drunk Boy

When I was in college many years ago, there was a book in my favourite corner of one of the libraries called 'Anti-semitism Since 410 BC'. I never read it but I did have a look through the odd time. So it's not as if it's a new thing. The Persians and the Egyptians weren't mad about the Jews, back in the day...

RustyNut

super_furry wrote: »

There is a deliberate effort by many, including some in the media, to blur the lines between anti-Israel sentiment and anti-Semitism.

The israeli ambassador said that the dublin protesters were "blind,ignorant,hate filled anti semites" during an interview on the Pat Kenny show last week.

FloatingVoter

Awkward Badger wrote: »

These things usually happen in times of conflict. Same as there was a rise in racism and hatred towards Muslims after 9/11. Idiots looking for excuses to be idiots.

Yes. The same clowns who are antisemitic now were anti-muslim then. They're easy to spot. They are against everything now. A bit like people who change football teams every year depending on how "we" are doing in the Premiership.

SpaceTime

Never underestimate the level of stupidity of an angry mob. They tend to be formed from by people who aren't really the brightest or most analytical about things.

See: http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2000/aug/30/childprotection.society (They attacked a paediatrician thinking that the word meant pedophile!)

Some people are stupid / uneducated enough to assume that Israeli foreign policy has a connection to local Jewish populations in their own countries. Or that local Jews have some kind of control over it.

Also, you've got some genuinely scary antisemitic neo-nazism on the continent which is using this as an excuse to attack local Jewish stuff. The irony is that the exact same neo nazis are anti any immigrant group you can think of too, so they're hardly justifying their actions as defence of Palestinians. They'd just as soon attack Islamic symbols too.

Then you've got the fact that pro-Israeli spokespersons are deliberately hiding their foreign policy behind a notion that any critique of Israel is anti-Semitism which is actually creating serious problems for the many Jews who would be pretty strongly opposed to what's going on in Palestine and also to Jewish communities who have nothing to do with Israel or its government's policies.

Then you've also got Islamic extremists who are anti-Israeli and are expressing that by attacking Jewish stuff in Europe or the US etc.

This kind of thing is also ignoring the fact that there are significant numbers of Jews in Israel itself who are actively protesting against what's going on. These people need support as they're being sidelined quite viciously in some cases by the status-quo in Israel at present.

If you're Jewish by religious background and opposed to all this kind of violence and the rather obnoxious and oppressive policies that Israel is using against the Palestinian population or even if you just don't have a particularly strong opinion on it, but aren't in favour of it, you're in a pretty bad place right now due to all the attempts to link the two by various parties!

I keep having to pull people up when discussing this. Jewish ≠ blind support for the Israeli Government.

DarkyHughes

lufties wrote: »

Especially in France, Is it because of what is happening in Israel currently or a backlash due to zionist globists?

Because the Zionist lobby propaganda machine try to make people believe a Zionist & a Jew is the same thing so they can attack people who criticize Israel by calling them anti-Semitic or anti-Jewish or crap like that.

SpaceTime

DarkyHughes wrote: »

Because the Zionist lobby propaganda machine try to make people believe a Zionist & a Jew is the same thing so they can attack people who criticize Israel by calling them anti-Semitic or anti-Jewish or crap like that.

It seems that anyone in Israel who is strongly opposed to this lobby (and there are quite a significant number of people who are) are getting a really seriously hard time.

There have been cases of Israeli journalists who wrote pieces critical of the government being attacked by angry protesters and stuff like that!

Karl Stein

super_furry wrote: »

There is a deliberate effort by many, including some in the media, to blur the lines between anti-Israel sentiment and anti-Semitism.

You can include people like Netenyahoooo in that group too.

jank

You won't hear it in the mainstream media but the increase of immigration by Muslims has a bearing on this, especially in France and Holland. Recently, a proposed 'free Gaza' event in Holland turned out to be a Pro-ISIS march with onlookers horrified and the local government embarrassed.

SpaceTime

It's not much different to making the assumption (as many people do) that every Irish person is foaming at the mouth with anti-British hatred and is a staunch supporter of the IRA. Different context, but similarly something that a lot of Irish people wouldn't necessarily want to be associated with or might actively oppose.

I've had that assumption made about me by people in Spain, in the US and elsewhere in the past and it's really annoying so, I can fully appreciate where the non-Israeli Government supporting jews of the world feel.

Or the other assumption is that you're a really right wing, conservative Catholic just because you're Irish.

Stereotypes generally are just lazy, stupid and ignorant.

I had a dinner in the US with a family where they tried to stuff me with corned beef and cabbage, then got angry with me because I couldn't say grace (I wouldn't know where to start and I'm an atheist anyway), then called my Irishness into question because I wasn't catholic!

So, I think of all countries, we should have some kind of an appreciation of how it might feel to be a Jew who doesn't agree with Israeli policy.

DarkyHughes

FloatingVoter wrote: »

It was always there. Seething beneath the surface. Plenty of normal people are pissed off with the Israelis over the current crisis. However antisemitism in Europe can be tracked back centuries. Ironically, in the days of Saladin (c.1200 ?), Jews found more tolerance in the middle east.

That's why there is so many Jews to be found in the Middle east today because when Christianity returned to Spain when the Muslims left the Jews left with them because they were terrified of the antisemitism that would be unleashed on them. It's only since Britain's double dealing in the Middle East after WW1 that Jews & Muslims have been fighting on a large scale.