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N7 - Newlands Cross upgrade

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Okay lads, we're gonna give this thread another go.

Please try and make sure it doesn't go the way the last thread went!

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JupiterKid

If the flyover is open in time for Christmas that would be great. They are really making very good progress on the junction.

antoobrien

Idbatterim wrote: »

Is there any chance of the flyover bit opening before schedule?

Sean O'Neill (NRA spokesman) was on was on George Hook 's show last Thursday - hoping to have the flyover "done" for Christmas. Comment approx 7:45.

Guy:Incognito

regedit wrote: »

I think they could speed-up things signifficantly. I drive 5 days a week on that road and I can see very very little progress. A handful of people doing very little is what I witness on a daily basis. One would think that they would work 15 hours a day to get the project completed ASAP and move to something else but they are just taking a long time. The outbound section is better as people are used to navigating it. The inbound lanes are noty the best and can be very confusing. There's signs but unless eye-sight is very good, easy missed. No actual road signage other than on the far left lane (previous bus lane).

Unless its all first time travellers every day theres really no excuse for people not knowing what they are are after the first couple of days when the current layout started.

spacetweek

Idbatterim wrote: »

Is there any chance of the flyover bit opening before schedule?

It is in fact opening a bit before schedule, it's planned to be complete by Christmas but the original date was February 2015.

NEDDURC

I drive it everyday too and I actually think they are making good progress and that they have done well to minimise disruption at peak times.

We might be in for some pain in early September when the schools are back as people get used to it again. But I'd imagaine it woudln't be for too long though as the next step will surely be to get the bridge open and operating before the end of the year.

Idbatterim

Is there any chance of the flyover bit opening before schedule?

regedit

I think they could speed-up things signifficantly. I drive 5 days a week on that road and I can see very very little progress. A handful of people doing very little is what I witness on a daily basis. One would think that they would work 15 hours a day to get the project completed ASAP and move to something else but they are just taking a long time. The outbound section is better as people are used to navigating it. The inbound lanes are noty the best and can be very confusing. There's signs but unless eye-sight is very good, easy missed. No actual road signage other than on the far left lane (previous bus lane).

road_high

displaced dub wrote: »

some craic is gonna he had at new lands when the kiddies are back to school next week!

I was just thinking the very same as i stuck there (inbound) yesterday evening. The no. of inbound lanes is totally inadequate. I know it's very difficult to work and keep the road fully open but it really is going to be more chaos.

displaced dub

some craic is gonna he had at new lands when the kiddies are back to school next week!

rameire

No madness to be had

jeffk

Going to Limerick tomorrow,do i expect madness or is the roadworks nearing an end?

finnharpsboy

paulbok wrote: »

They looked to be gearing up to pour concrete on the bridge this morning. At this rate, it's not impossible to see the new road (flyover) open by Hallow'een, taking the through traffic off the temp roads, leaving re-aligning the access/ Belgard Rd roads for X-mas.

The entire project may well be finished way ahead of schedule.

Concrete being pumped this morning

paulbok

They looked to be gearing up to pour concrete on the bridge this morning. At this rate, it's not impossible to see the new road (flyover) open by Hallow'een, taking the through traffic off the temp roads, leaving re-aligning the access/ Belgard Rd roads for X-mas.

The entire project may well be finished way ahead of schedule.

cargo

Cookiemunster wrote: »

It won't have hard shoulders and will have a concrete central barrier so it will be perfectly wide.

As Cookiemonster said it's plenty wide when the just the basic services pass over it (same as many overbridges on the motorways if you keep an eye out). Also if you want to see some graphics of it, I'm sure there is drawings of the junction/layouts etc on this thread somewhere I just cant find them at the minute.

Here's the skyscraper thread with some early visuals on page 2 of the thread.

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1599158&page=2

Cookiemunster

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

For a bridge carrying 3 lanes each way it doesn't very wide.

It won't have hard shoulders and will have a concrete central barrier so it will be perfectly wide.

Kermit.de.frog

Seen this video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3aVrHrsYmsk

For a bridge carrying 3 lanes each way it doesn't very wide.

spacetweek

Roryhy wrote: »

They would make the structure look even bulkier. Apart from Bewleys Hotel and 1 house on the far side, there is little need for them anyway. I'm sure they are well used to the sound by now.

Bewleys is probably soundproofed against the traffic noise anyway.

Roryhy

gk5000 wrote: »

They are not planning any noise protection barriers between newlands cross and the red cow/M50.

They would make the structure look even bulkier. Apart from Bewleys Hotel and 1 house on the far side, there is little need for them anyway. I'm sure they are well used to the sound by now.

gk5000

They are not planning any noise protection barriers between newlands cross and the red cow/M50.

annfield1978

mackerski wrote: »

Newlands Cross doesn't feature in that journey.

I mean Tallaght to Liffey Valley, there doesnt appear to be any cycle lanes on the fonthill road through the scheme

mackerski

annfield1978 wrote: »

why the lack of cycle infrastructure to link clondalkin to liffey valley?

Newlands Cross doesn't feature in that journey.

annfield1978

why the lack of cycle infrastructure to link clondalkin to liffey valley?

rameire

there will be one filter in lane, inbound, this is where the yellow cement is, this is lane 2 on the current road layout.
there will be one lane to filter out aswell, this will be where it currently is I think.

MrDerp

Does anyone know what the intention is for traffic joining inbound from Belgard rd and fonthill rd? i.e. Will it be allowed to merge before the red cow or will it continue outside the ramp and new lanes and join the m50 or city bound lanes past the bowstring bridge?

I'm really hoping that it's the latter and they won't allow mad dashes across the m50 bound N7 traffic to meet the city bound lanes. Or do folks think there's room for this in a free flow arrangement?

spacetweek

gilly2308 wrote: »

Thanks for that MYOB, for sadly it would not have surprised me one iota had they only put two lanes each way on the flyover

The whole of the rest of the road is 6 lanes standard so I think it would have been very surprising if they'd put 4 on the flyover.

gilly0512

MYOB wrote: »

It's three in both directions. The deck will extend over the beams and there'll be no shoulder

Thanks for that MYOB, for sadly it would not have surprised me one iota had they only put two lanes each way on the flyover, as sadly we have a bad habit in this country of going for the bare minimum when it comes to amount of lanes, and then spending a fortune years later trying to correct it.

L1011

It's three in both directions. The deck will extend over the beams and there'll be no shoulder

gilly0512

Is the new flyover definitely going to be have three lanes in each direction, as while I've only ever seen the new half built flyover from the Belgard Road, to me it doesn't look wide enough to have three lanes in each direction? To be quite honest it wouldn't surprise me one bit were they to only have two lanes in each direction, but I'm hoping that they wouldn't be that stupid?

ukoda

trellheim wrote: »

Case in point : there has always been a straight on access to the city if you kept in the right hand lane up to newlands x inbound . Now there is not. it is a forced right turn to the belgard road .

i might be mistaken but i don't think thats true? If you stay in the right hand lane and go to the right of the fly over there is a lane that continues straight on to city centre? yes it does split and theres a lane that goes right only, but thats always been there?

EDIT: oh wait i see what you mean - they made the right lane a right only, and second from right is straight on, so effectively theres 4 lanes inbound now as the opened up the bus lane on the left to be a normal lane

trellheim

Came through again yesterday Still a nightmare, still a traffic plan designed by someone with drool coming out the side of their mouth.

Case in point : there has always been a straight on access to the city if you kept in the right hand lane up to newlands x inbound . Now there is not. it is a forced right turn to the belgard road .

Now you might say "well if you read the signs".... and I was so frustrated I went back and looked

1. Yes it is signed. By crappy orange signs as above which most people just think "Roadworks ahead". No LCD banners, nothing on the M7 inbound banner overheads, zero. Are those signs even compliant with RUS type signage ?

are they clear ? No, not at all. Too small and you are past them too quickly.

SO : if you are at lane speed ( and worse, full old lane speed , i.e. 80-100 up to the lights as a lot of people still do, yes I know it is 60 up to the lights

1. Assume you havent seen the orange signs
2. Assume you are still in the Right lane
3. Assume you want to go straight ahead

you are now up the creek because you will be landed straight into a bollard with NOWHERE to go ( you will NOT be expecting a wall and have to very suddenly turn right or merge.

Accident ( and a bad one ) waiting to happen because BAM cannot be bothered to put in place proper measures.

My 0.02c anyway.