Stazza wrote: » And, Irelands second greatest poet is... Heaney. In good time, I'll explain why(imho )he's far superior to Yeats and yet a minor poet when compared to Himself. I saw Heaney reading in Oxford. He did a gig with Ted Hughes - top draw. Hughes blew Heaney out of the water and that did surprise me.
W.B. Yeats wrote: » I'm not a Heaney fan-
Stazza wrote: » I think sub 2:40 is achievable. This may not seem like much of a goal – it’s what I’d call the border between hobbyjogging and running.
AuldManKing wrote: » Quick - someone get DrQuirky back on here.
pistol_75 wrote: » McMillan gives you 2:47:36 based on your 5K and McMillan can be optimistic, especially for first time marathoners, no matter how good their poetry is Good luck
Stazza wrote: » After my ridiculous goal of 15:22 for 5k maybe I should set a different goal for the marathon... And as for my poetry, maybe I should be aiming for something in the nursery rhyme market/ditties.
Gavlor wrote: » At least you marathon target is consistent with your recent stories..... Fairytale stuff from imaginationland aka stazzas head Actually I'm not sure what is real and what is make believe in this log anymore!
I’ve decided to have another crack at keeping a log. As I’ve publicly announced that I’m going after the Irish M45 5k record of 15:22, I thought it only fair that I document my training and hold myself to account – publicly; at my age I should know better, especially given the current state of my fitness.
legit wrote: » I'm a long time lurker around here and I always wonder are your running goals for real or just BS. This is not the first time you've made a outrageous statement your very first post in this log! I see you've softened your target from a couple of years back. Maybe you're seeing sense or maybe one of your stable of elites is finally giving you some advice bam.fastrunningblog.com
Stazza wrote: » And for anybody interested in following my journey from lard arse to a sub 2:40 marathon runner in my first marathon at the age of 50, then here's where to begin.
pa4 wrote: » I think sub 2:40 is very achievable for someone Stazzas age. If my uncle could run 2:48 as a 56 year old after taking up running only a few years previous then Stazza shouldn't have too much trouble. Did I mention he was a smoker for 25 years before he started? If your willing to put in the effort and make the sacrifices then it's very achievable. For someone too say they'll never be able you can be certain they'll never achieve it.
Ososlo wrote: » You serious? Was he very fit and did he do other sports when he was younger? I love those kinds of stories:D
pa4 wrote: » Me too they always give hope! But yeah I'm serious. He was a 20+ cigarette a day smoker for over 25 years and enjoyed the drink a bit too much! Decided one day he was going to quit and start running. His first run was to the top of the road and back which is 400m in total. Built it up from there. He was 52 when he got back and 4 years later ran a 2:48 marathon in Dublin!
Stazza wrote: » It would seem that a few lurkers/hobbyjoggers have taken offence.
Ososlo wrote: » Great stuff. Hope he's still running. That's just brilliant. what brand of fags
legit wrote: » I haven't taken offence so no need to worry. Just to give you a bit of context I have a sub 15 min 5k PB and ran 15.13 in my 40s and also a sub 2.30 (2.28, PB of 2.25) marathon in my 40s. I know it's your own definition but I think you are being a bit conceited saying 2.40 is a hobby joggers pace. For someone with a 2.10 PB it sure is, it's slower than training pace for them but I don't think you've ran a marathon so you might be in for a major surprise at how hard it actually is to string 26 * 6 minute miles together! Running is a hobby for all but the few elites in Ireland, and there are too few of them but we are not all joggers. Good luck and I'll check back in the new year to see your progress. Message me if you need any advice on structuring a masters marathon plan.
Stazza wrote: » Haha - good man - I take it you're a man. So we're pretty much about the same standard given y(our) pb's. If you're still running, then maybe we could have a wee chat. I'm open to hearing what you've got to say about masters marathon plans etc. And just to be clear, I didn't say everybody in Ireland was a hobbyjogger. I said, my definition of a hobbyjogger was somebody slower 2:40. It's important to get these things right otherwise some might not take you seriously. Although, I think I'd call it more in the, slower than 2:37 range. I stand by that. But remember, it's just my definition/thoughts. And regarding elites in Ireland - we'll have to differ again. For me, 2:15 or quicker is the bottom end of elite. That's not to say somebody running 2:18-2:24 isn't a good runner. That area is what I'd call sub elite to decent club runner.
Itziger wrote: » Stazza is smoking something stronger than Major, that's for sure!
Stazza wrote: » Based on what Legit posted, our pb's are similar. Let me explain it to you: Legit posted that his/her pb for the marathon is 2:25 ( a fine pb for a club runner). He/she/it: (might be a troll) also posted that they'd run under 15 mins for 5k. Now, most people I know who've run in and around 15 mins for 5k tend to run between 2:20 and 2:25 for the marathon. So while this suggests that Legit is 'weaker' over the marathon, it would still be in the right area. Similarly with the masters pb's, although the marathon time seems to be weak compared to the 5k time, it's still in the right ballpark. I'm assuming that the 5k time is only a bit under 15 - given the marathon time. If that's the case our pb's are about the same - if the 5k's sub 14:50 then Legit 'was' faster than I ever was - and that's fine and dandy. This might be difficult for you to take and I get that, but it's a fact. If you really have got a hard-on for me, I can supply you with the details and you can scuttle off and spend time researching the many times that I've run under 4 for 1500m and the handful of times that I've run under 15 for 5000m/5k. But to make it interesting, if you really want to play the game, you could start by contacting the ESAA and ask them to furnish you with details about me: races I ran where you had to have qualifying times that were minutes faster than you'll ever run - sorry lad, but this is gonna hurt you. To help them find my details you could start with Yeovil 1981 when I raced against Adrian Passey. And on that front, given that my best running was 16-19, it's gonna hurt you even more - I was only a kid and pretty much stopped running , although I did do the odd race here and there. But seriously, all this jealousy/begrudgery isn't healthy. It's no big deal: I don't consider myself to be a great runner, now or even 30 years ago. 15 mins for 5k was crap in the adult world of running. 2:30 for the marathon was the benchmark for club runners. If you could run 2:30 for the marathon, you wouldn't even make most teams in the area 12 stage road relays. Times have changed...
Itziger wrote: » WOW! Talk about touching a nerve. Take it easy there fella. If you think I'm interested enough in your running history to go research your times and contact bodies about races you did 30 years ago, you really are in cloud fooking cuckoo land. "Eh, Hello, yeah, this is a random Forum poster here, I'm checking up on a lad called Stazza, looking for his times from the 1980's, yeah. Lovely, Tanks!" I'm not jealous/envious of your times and I'm not jealous/envious of your current training and injuries. I do what I do quite happily. There's a good few hobby joggers here faster than me and I'm faster than quite a few in turn. If you re-examine the last few posts and live in today's world, you'll see that I found it rather funny that you compared yourself to a 2.25 marathon man/woman. (We can probably stop playing that game). A day or so after telling us all that you're aiming for sub 2.40.
dukeraoul wrote: » Longtime lurker here. Can you post us your marathon and half marathon PB's? Also aside from a couple decent 1500's and 5ks as a Junior what exactly qualifies you to call yourself a "running master". I was really good at draughts as a 12 year old- can I call myself the "draughts master". Also any reports on your stable? How are they getting on? Finally- if you use the 2mins you fell short of your 5k Irish record attempt and use that as a bench mark, I'd put your marathon debut at about a sub 3:15....firmly in your "hobby jogger" camp.
