The Dagda wrote: » I'm confused!?! Is a normal beauty contest ok to watch, or is irony bad?
kneemos wrote: » A normal beauty contest does what it says on the tin.The Lovely Girls Competition doesn't appear to have purpose or a point.
The Dagda wrote: » So you're for beauty contests but against contests that value more than just beauty?
kneemos wrote: » Waaaa? Could say something about the condescending objectification of the comely maiden,but yeah tits and ass baby.
kneemos wrote: » An extremely poor pastiche of a beauty contest or OK to watch in an ironic sort of way? So Backward it's embarrassing IMO.Can't think of one redeeming feature. Starts Tomorrow night anyway.
The Dagda wrote: » I'm confused again!?! Are you for "normal" beauty contests or not?
kneemos wrote: » Did I say I was or wasn't? Does it matter? Probably not if you must.
The Dagda wrote: » Well you used the word pastiche in the OP which implies you think beauty contests are an art form..?
Chancer3001 wrote: » People start threads about stuff they dislike all the time.
kneemos wrote: » Human art.Marvellous.
DeadHand wrote: » Massive economic boost to a struggling part of the country.
The Dagda wrote: » Right so I'll take that as a yes. Now, you're against the Rose of Tralee for why?
kneemos wrote: » You ex Gestapo by any chance? Condecending towards "the girls" Don't see any point to it. Embarrassingly bad show.
The Dagda wrote: » So the Rose of Tralee is "condecending (sic) towards the girls" but you're ok with "normal" beauty contests?! That does seem rather hypocritical to me!?!
kneemos wrote: » Normal beauty contests aren't condecending they are honest in what they do,demeaning maybe.
The Dagda wrote: » Ok that doesn't make much sense but I'll leave it go. Why do you think the Rose of Tralee is dishonest?
kneemos wrote: » Didn't say it was.
Mary O’ Connor, born in 1820 (approx.), was the original “Rose of Tralee” At seventeen Mary was employed as a kitchen maid to the Mulchinocks, a wealthy merchant family. One of their sons was William Pembroke, a dreamer and a poet. William went on a trip to the horse fair at Ballinasloe. At a ball there, he met Alice Keogh. In spite of his protestations of love, he soon returned home. When he arrived home, his sister Maria took him to see her children in the nursery where he got his first glimpse of Mary O’ Connor and was completely smitten by her look. He stalked her and eventually, they became a couple. He spent many evenings in her parents’ house where he was well liked. But his family disapproved, after all she was a Catholic peasant and he a wealthy Protestant. One night by the fountain, he took her in his arms and asked her to marry him. She declined because she was afraid that such a marriage would end in disaster even though she loved him. One evening, he took her to the same place and sang to her the first two verses of “The Rose of Tralee”. The following evening, a fracas broke out and a man called Leggett was badly hurt in the fight. One of the policemen informed Mulchinock that he would be held responsible if Leggett died. He went home where he met Mary and produced a ring, which she accepted. They were now betrothed. Suddenly his best friend, Bob Blenerhasset rushed in and told him Legett was dead and the police were coming to arrest him. Bob gave William a hundred gold sovereigns and his horse and told him ride to Barrow Harbour and take a ship anchored there. William ended up in India in 1843 as the war correspondent. He became friendly with the British commander in chief When Mulchinock told him the story of what happened, the general used his influence to enable William to return to Tralee in 1849. In 1849 Mary O’ Connor died. She was approximately 29 years of age. The only thing left to him now was to visit the grave constantly at Clogherbrien. In time he became reacquainted with Alice Keogh and married her and they eventually went to America in 1849 where they had two girls, Alice and Bernadette. But eventually, they separated and he returned to Ireland in 1855 and became an alcoholic. William Mulchinock lived in a lodging house in Ashe Street. He died on 13th October 1864 and was buried in Clogherbrien beside Mary O’Connor
The Dagda wrote: » The implication is obvious.
kneemos wrote: » No it's not. You made the comparison,never mentioned beauty contests.
The Dagda wrote: » You have mentioned beauty contests several times?!!
kneemos wrote: » In response to your pedantic questions.
Sauve wrote: » I'm moving house this week and the TV aerial is coming down tomorrow. Delighted
Sir Arthur Daley wrote: » The one with the lovely bottom.
