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Driving test, N plates?

wishmaster200

JUST WONDERING I PASSED MY TEST TODAY BUT MY APPOINTMENT FOR THE NDLS CENTER IS NOT UNTIL THE 24/7/14 TO APPLY FOR A LICENCE, I PROB WONT GET LICENCE TILL FIRST WEEK OFF AUGUST OR MORE WILL THIS PUT ME IN THE SAME BRACKET AS THE N PLATES???

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Tokarev

You don't have to shout man

Paco Rodriguez

No you will not have to have N plates. Once you pay at the ndls centre you are a full licence driver.
The receipt acts as your licence until you get your physical licence.

Plus you can go in anytime to the ndls and dont really have to have an appointment.

Congrats!!

wishmaster200

Paco Rodriguez wrote: »

No you will not have to have N plates. Once you pay at the ndls centre you are a full licence driver.
The receipt acts as your licence until you get your physical licence.

cheers paco

finnharpsboy

only applies to anyone who passes test from August 1st

challengemaster

finnharpsboy wrote: »

only applies to anyone who passes test from August 1st

Wrong.

Anyone that has a license issue date from 1st August onwards. Passing a test only earns you a certificate of competency, you don't have a full license at that point.

finnharpsboy

challengemaster wrote: »

Wrong.

Anyone that has a license issue date from 1st August onwards. Passing a test only earns you a certificate of competency, you don't have a full license at that point.

yeah your right, i was going by this http://www.independent.ie/life/motoring/car-news/newly-qualified-drivers-must-show-n-plate-for-two-years-or-face-fine-30410936.html

Nate--IRL--

Paco Rodriguez wrote: »

No you will not have to have N plates. Once you pay at the ndls centre you are a full licence driver.
The receipt acts as your licence until you get your physical licence.

Plus you can go in anytime to the ndls and dont really have to have an appointment.

Congrats!!

This is not true. I paid for my licence on the 30th of May, but my licence was only issued on the 5th of June (and received on the 10th) Also the Receipt specifically stated it is not to be used in place of an actual licence.

Technically I was still a learner until the 5th of June. While a Guard would understand and accept this, with regard the new Law with N plates I'd say it would not be overlooked. The date of issue is the date printed on the licence, and would be the only date that matters.

Nate

Nate--IRL--

wishmaster200 wrote: »

JUST WONDERING I PASSED MY TEST TODAY BUT MY APPOINTMENT FOR THE NDLS CENTER IS NOT UNTIL THE 24/7/14 TO APPLY FOR A LICENCE, I PROB WONT GET LICENCE TILL FIRST WEEK OFF AUGUST OR MORE WILL THIS PUT ME IN THE SAME BRACKET AS THE N PLATES???

Go up the NDLS first thing (I mean 8:45am) in the morning and don't leave until they give you an appointment that day.That's what I did the day after my test. Don't wait for the booked appointment. Go now.

Nate

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gocarr

challengemaster wrote: »

Anyone that has a license issue date from 1st August onwards. Passing a test only earns you a certificate of competency, you don't have a full license at that point.

Sorry to jump in, but I can't work out how to post a new topic and you seem to know your stuff...

I want to borrow a friend's mini-van that is not insured. My car is insured with AXA and I am allowed to drive anyone's car (with their permission). It does not state in the T&C's of my insurance that the borrowed vehicle needs to be insured independently. Do you know if this is the case? Also, I used AIB to broker my insurance and they don't insure vans. Does this mean I cannot borrow a van? I don't see the difference since my licence allows this. I have been emailing back and forth with AIB/AXA, but they won't give me a firm answer and it takes them 2 weeks to reply every time.

Appreciate any advice!

ProudDUB

Your drivers license and your cars insurance are two totally different things. Just because you have a license that qualifies you to drive a variety of vehicles, it doesn't automatically follow that your car insurance will always cover you to drive all those vehicles. You are only covered to drive what ever class of vehicle that are stipulated in your insurance policy. So if your policy states, cars only, then no, you can't drive your mates van and be covered by your own policy.

Get a copy of the terms and conditions of your policy to see what it says. That is what you need to go by. No one here can tell you for sure what the terms and conditions say. Why don't you give them a ring, if they are that slow to reply to emails?

There is a "New Thread" tab in the upper left part of the main forum. You click on that to start a new topic of you own. I think that you have to have a certain number of posts before you can start new threads. So you probably can't see that tab, until you reach the required number of posts.

COYL

Paco Rodriguez wrote: »

No you will not have to have N plates. Once you pay at the ndls centre you are a full licence driver.

Is this 100% correct?

I dont have an actual appointment until 29 July and am desperate to avoid the N plate nonsense if at all possible..

Nate--IRL--

COYL wrote: »

Is this 100% correct?

I dont have an actual appointment until 29 July and am desperate to avoid the N plate nonsense if at all possible..

No it's not at all correct, get down to the NDLS centre on Monday as early as possible ( and I mean early, before it opens) and get a walk in appointment for later that day.

Nate

wishmaster200

Nate--IRL-- wrote: »

Go up the NDLS first thing (I mean 8:45am) in the morning and don't leave until they give you an appointment that day.That's what I did the day after my test. Don't wait for the booked appointment. Go now.

Nate

thanks nate very helpful

COYL

Nate--IRL-- wrote: »

No it's not at all correct, get down to the NDLS centre on Monday as early as possible ( and I mean early, before it opens) and get a walk in appointment for later that day.

Nate

Actually went this morning, Saturday 12 July, to NDLS in Santry.

Was about thirty people ahead of me when I arrived approx 15 mins pre opening time.

At 9am the doors opened and staff asked for all those with online appointments to come forward...that reduce the queue, by now about 50 people strong, by around ten bodies.

From that moment here is how it worked out...each remaining person went to the reception desk and was advised of the time that they would be seen..this allowed people to leave and reappear at the advised time. An excellent system imo.

As I neared the top of this 'walk in' queue, a member of staff approached me and asked had I everything in order, all relevant paper work and documentation. I had this all in order and was promptly ushered through into a booth and dealt with.

All in all I was less than half an hour there..

Was told my licence would be with me in around 8 days or so and that it would be back dated to todays date.

So overall, so far, an excellent process imo. Albeit I got a bit of luck as I was dealt with without having to go away and return, but even had I been given atime to drop back i could not complain about that service and system.

Just ensure all your paperwork is present and correct, and btw, all staff were pleasant and polite.

A good days work for myself.

challengemaster

gocarr wrote: »

Sorry to jump in, but I can't work out how to post a new topic and you seem to know your stuff...

I want to borrow a friend's mini-van that is not insured. My car is insured with AXA and I am allowed to drive anyone's car (with their permission). It does not state in the T&C's of my insurance that the borrowed vehicle needs to be insured independently. Do you know if this is the case? Also, I used AIB to broker my insurance and they don't insure vans. Does this mean I cannot borrow a van? I don't see the difference since my licence allows this. I have been emailing back and forth with AIB/AXA, but they won't give me a firm answer and it takes them 2 weeks to reply every time.

Appreciate any advice!

Completely forgot I even posted in this thread, so only seeing this now.

This is what's on Axa's website regards driving other cars

Most of our customers (aged over 25 years and with a full licence) have automatic third party cover to drive someone else’s car. The easiest way to see if you are covered is to check your certificate of insurance.
When you’ve been with us for 3 years with comprehensive cover, we will upgrade your third party “driving of other cars” to comprehensive driving of other cars, at no extra cost.

However, after a little digging, here's access to all the versions of Axa policy documents (the same as you'd have received a paper version of with your certificate of insurance)

http://www.axa.ie/download/axa-insurance-downloads/

1b Driving other cars
This cover will also apply if you are driving any other car which your certificate
of insurance covers you to drive. If you are covered to drive other cars, it will
be shown in section 5(b) of your certificate of insurance.
This cover only applies if:
¡ you do not own the car or you have not hired the car under a
hire-purchase agreement;
¡ it is shown that this cover applies under section 5(b) of your certificate
of insurance;
¡ you have the owner’s permission to drive the car; and
¡ the vehicle is being used within the ‘limits for use’ shown in your current
certificate of motor insurance.
This cover applies to damage or injury happening in Ireland and the UK only.
This extension applies only to private passenger vehicles. It does not include
vans, car-vans, jeeps with no seats in the back or vans adapted to carry
passengers.

So that answers that for you!

For clarification though, based on those terms - the vehicle does NOT need to be independently insured. This is the same for Liberty, potentially other insurers also. You were correct in that assumption.

If in doubt - check the policy documentation. It may be long and boring to try and read through, but sure enough the answer is in there somewhere. I'd advise calling rather than email for quicker responses, but unless it's not covered in there or is confusing somehow, there's no real reason to call the insurance company for clarification, as you could just be talking to people in a call centre without any real understanding of the policy details. Policy booklet is always the first port of call

mdolly123

No the date you passed your test is recognised as you being fully qualified, doesn't matter about NDLS appointment

Witcher

mdolly123 wrote: »

No the date you passed your test is recognised as you being fully qualified, doesn't matter about NDLS appointment

You're not fully qualified until the pink licence is in your hand.

If the issue date on that licence is after 1st August 2014, you need N plates.

Vologda69

Blay wrote: »

You're not fully qualified until the pink licence is in your hand.

If the issue date on that licence is after 1st August 2014, you need N plates.

dkelly17

Hi,

I want to the NDLS last week in Dublin to get my licence. At the counter I expressed relief that I had gotten an appointment prior to the 1st August, and would not need to get an N plate. The man advised me that the relevant date is the date you passed the test. He said that a new Certificate of Competency would issue for successful driving test applicants after August 1st, which would clearly indicate that post Aug 1st passers were to be N drivers. If that is the case, the legislation is ambiguous. I had construed it as date of licence receipt, and didn't take the chance in any event.

TheChizler

Wouldn't make sense if it was the date you passed the test. Imagine a year from now you're stopped driving without N plates, your licence issue date is after the 1st of August but you passed the test prior to this, how is the Garda supposed to know if this is correct or not? All they have is the date written on the license.

miss no stars

Is it done as some sort of endorsement on the license in the same way as it shows up on a learner's permit that they must be accompanied for 2 years from date of issue? Would seem like a simple way to do it.

dkelly17

I'll let you all know when I get my licence. I applied Monday the 28th so they would only have had four working days to issue it before august 1st. Should have it tomorrow or Monday I reckon. So much conflicting information on this point! Glad to have the licence even if I need a N plate it isn't the end of the universe.

Jellybeans909

Hi, sorry to jump in but I was wondering if anyone can help me. I passed my theory test and had an appointment in the NDLS centre where they told me I needed an eye report examination. So they set me another appointment and I went and got the eye report done, but unfortunately we had a death in the close family and I actually missed my appointment to go back to the NDLS centre. do i have to book online all over again?? The next available date isn't until the very end of August when I was planning to go to England to visit an old friend

Big C

Anybody help ????
Wife passed her driving test today, we have one car, I have full licence 10yrs. Do we remove the n plates when I drive and put them back when she at the wheel ?????

HurtLocker

Big C wrote: »

Anybody help ????
Wife passed her driving test today, we have one car, I have full licence 10yrs. Do we remove the n plates when I drive and put them back when she at the wheel ?????

You should probably but it's no real hassle if you keep them on. N drivers can drive unaccompanied so unlike L plates unaccompanied they wont raise any suspicion of law breaking to the gards. You'll want your full with at all times though especially the morning after a night out. N drivers alcohol limit is 0.02 compared to 0.05 for you.

STEEL COMET

dkelly17 wrote: »

I'll let you all know when I get my licence. I applied Monday the 28th so they would only have had four working days to issue it before august 1st. Should have it tomorrow or Monday I reckon. So much conflicting information on this point! Glad to have the licence even if I need a N plate it isn't the end of the universe.

Any sign of the licence? I am in the same boat as you. I applied on the 30th of July and was told like you I would not fall under the new laws with n plates. Today I got my licence and the issued date is the 8th of August.

Ants in your Pants

Hi Steel Comet
Check the back of your license 10. Valid from. 11. Valid to. I applied for mine on the 28th and was told I would not need N plates in the NDLS centre, but the front issue date says the 6th on mine. But I think it's what the back of the card says, mine says the 28th the day I applied. So I imagine valid from and to is the main area to look. It is a bit confusing!!! I hope I'm right

HurtLocker

TheChizler wrote: »

Wouldn't make sense if it was the date you passed the test. Imagine a year from now you're stopped driving without N plates, your licence issue date is after the 1st of August but you passed the test prior to this, how is the Garda supposed to know if this is correct or not? All they have is the date written on the license.

Could be a code on the back of the licence similar to the codes for first licence or glasses required etc. to let the gards know if the driver is affected by the regulations

Witcher

The act states that the issue date is the important one;

Road Traffic Act 2014, Part 2, 3 (1);

For the purposes of this Act, a person who is the holder of a first driving licence is a novice driver for the period of 2 years from the date of its issue.