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RTÉ Two to relaunch as RTÉ2 on 22/9/14

Cork_chick_94

It is. have they just given up on RTE Two ?

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irishmusicfeed

RTÉ Two is set to get a major overhaul in terms of branding, on-air identity and schedule change. It is expected to take place either November or January.

icdg

irishmusicfeed wrote: »

RTÉ Two is set to get a major overhaul in terms of branding, on-air identity and schedule change. It is expected to take place either November or January.

And so the cycle begins again - we have been here before in 1988, 1997, and 2004. And yet again RTE fails to realise it is not the name or the brand that is the problem - it is the programmes and the fact that once RTE get it right after each relaunch they lose interest and fail to do what it takes to keep it right. The same will happen again no doubt.

Cork_chick_94

I wonder what kind of rebranding will happen ? will they drop the rte logo ?

Cork_chick_94

They lost interest very quickly in TRTE.

munchkin_utd

Cork_chick_94 wrote: »

I wonder what kind of rebranding will happen ? will they drop the rte logo ?

are they finally abandoning the idea of having kiddies programmes on RTE 2 and RTE junior simultaneously during the morning?

the only advantage of having kiddies shows on mainstream tv is when youre stuck in a hotel and they have a limited amount of channels (which does happen the odd time), but still, its not for RTE to compensate for hotels with substandard in room entertainment.

RTE junior is available nationwide as standard alongside RTE 1/ 2 so theres no need for the 2 main channels to be catering for the kids any more.

icdg

Well they've already been through RTE2 (1979) Network 2 (1988) RTE Network Two (1995), N2 (1997), RTE N2 (2003), and RTE Two (2004).

What next? Channel 2? Station 2? The 2? TV2?
It would be a big mistake to drop the RTE brand (especially given the work they put in to get it into all their activities - hard to believe this now but between 1988 and 1995 the RTE logo was hardly ever seen on screen (though given the logo at the time it was probably just as well) and between 1997 and 2003 it was inconsistently used)

Onthe3rdDay

icdg wrote: »

Well they've already been through RTE2 (1979) Network 2 (1988) RTE Network Two (1995), N2 (1997), RTE N2 (2003), and RTE Two (2004).

What next? Channel 2? Station 2? The 2? TV2?
It would be a big mistake to drop the RTE brand (especially given the work they put in to get it into all their activities - hard to believe this now but between 1988 and 1995 the RTE logo was hardly ever seen on screen (though given the logo at the time it was probably just as well) and between 1997 and 2003 it was inconsistently used)

As you said after each rebrand things have improved greatly for 12 months to 2 years and then things are left slide again. I will say they should be on bended knee thanking whoever came up with the Idea of moving all the Sports over to Network 2 in the late eighties. It didn't have much (if any) effect on RTE 1 viewership and at times over the last 25 year it's been the one thing that has kept the station any way relevant.

Of course they have been times when the station has been very relevant and hopefully the relaunch will do the trick this time around again. At least they do have some assets like sport, unlike TV3 which goes into the new year with only Britains Got Talent and a few Champion's League Games to keep them going until the X factor and the Rugby World Cup in the Autumn. (that's if they last that long!)

irishmusicfeed

The announcement about changes to be made to RTE Two are due next month. It is expected that TRTÉ will replace RTÉ Jr on the channel in the early hours... The channel will continue to be named RTÉ Two with new on-air presentation and new contracts signed with US broadcasters to secure first rights to future programmes.

Other details are due next month.

IMO RTÉ Two should only be made available by using revenue from advertising and should lose its public service remit... instead use advertising to secure big budget US dramas etc by signing exclusive deals with US networks like NBC, Stars, Cinemax etc to secure first European broadcasting rights for hit shows like RTÉ did with shows like Friends, ER etc in the past. If Sky can sign exclusive deals with HBO, RTÉ should do deals with other US broadcasters and RTÉ will get them at a lower cost as the population is small. Alternatively RTÉ could follow Bell Media in Canada who have bought licenses to brands such as MTV, Discovery etc to broadcast Canadian versions of these channels.

People may complain about RTÉ at least it supplies jobs unlike Sky Ireland who now have 34 channels in Ireland on its books taking large amounts of advertising revenue out of Ireland to its HQ in London. While Sky employ people at Sky Ireland HQ in Dublin these are hardly relevant jobs in the media industry and do little to promote Irish drama etc. Maybe Sky might change in the future and create stand alone Irish Sky1 and Sky Living etc until then Irish audiences get pretend Irish Sky channels with Irish adverts and no Irish content. This also has a damaging effect on TV3 and it will do the same to UTV Ireland when it launches.

A similar situation happens in Austria and Switzerland where ProSeibenSat1 Media AG produce ''Austrian'' and ''Swiss'' channels which are a simulcast of the original German channels thus creating a huge problem for domestic production in Austria and German speaking parts of Switzerland.

Cork_chick_94

No matter what rebadging rte Two do,it will only be a matter of time unitil its back to Fr Ted reruns.

Onthe3rdDay

irishmusicfeed wrote: »

People may complain about RTÉ at least it supplies jobs unlike Sky Ireland who now have 34 channels in Ireland on its books taking large amounts of advertising revenue out of Ireland to its HQ in London. While Sky employ people at Sky Ireland HQ in Dublin these are hardly relevant jobs in the media industry and do little to promote Irish drama etc. Maybe Sky might change in the future and create stand alone Irish Sky1 and Sky Living etc until then Irish audiences get pretend Irish Sky channels with Irish adverts and no Irish content. This also has a damaging effect on TV3 and it will do the same to UTV Ireland when it launches.

Not in any way defending SKY, but their channels aren't pretend Irish Channels, they just have Irish Advertising. They're not claiming on air to be Irish. You basically know what you get if you watch SKY.

Also just to point out they've done possibly more Irish Drama and promoted Irish jobs in that area than TV3 in the last year or 2 with the commissioning of Moone Boy.

irishmusicfeed

Yes Moone Boy... 1 show wow...

Onthe3rdDay

irishmusicfeed wrote: »

Yes Moone Boy... 1 show wow...

You can be sceptical but it did pump money into a part of the country that wasn't going to get it otherwise. It's a genuine international success story using Irish Companies and Talents. It's won a Emmy, name another Irish Comedy that RTE or TV3 have made that has ever won an Emmy? And one episode had about 6 minutes in Irish. Now that's nothing to shout out about, but it's probably 6 minutes more Irish than TV3 broadcast in Primetime over the last 12 months.

Again in no way i'm I defending SKY, they are there to make a profit. I will say they have damaged TV3, but UTV have easily coped with them in the North and will probably do so again in the south.

r3nu4l

munchkin_utd wrote: »

are they finally abandoning the idea of having kiddies programmes on RTE 2 and RTE junior simultaneously during the morning?

the only advantage of having kiddies shows on mainstream tv is when youre stuck in a hotel and they have a limited amount of channels (which does happen the odd time), but still, its not for RTE to compensate for hotels with substandard in room entertainment.

RTE junior is available nationwide as standard alongside RTE 1/ 2 so theres no need for the 2 main channels to be catering for the kids any more.

As the father of an avid kids TV watcher, I'd argue against that.

The schedules on RTÉ junior and kids shows on RTÉ 2 in the morning are different, so if a kid doesn't want to watch a program on one channel there will be a different show on the other channel.

I'm not an advocate of sticking the kids in front of the TV all morning but choice is important for kids too. This is important for the Saorview viewers. That said I can use the computer to watch CBeebies live or on BBC iPlayer if needed but for the less technologically able, it's good to have choice.

Just a different perspective.

irishmusicfeed

Onthe3rdDay wrote: »

You can be sceptical but it did pump money into a part of the country that wasn't going to get it otherwise. It's a genuine international success story using Irish Companies and Talents. It's won a Emmy, name another Irish Comedy that RTE or TV3 have made that has ever won an Emmy? And one episode had about 6 minutes in Irish. Now that's nothing to shout out about, but it's probably 6 minutes more Irish than TV3 broadcast in Primetime over the last 12 months.

Again in no way i'm I defending SKY, they are there to make a profit. I will say they have damaged TV3, but UTV have easily coped with them in the North and will probably do so again in the south.

I totally agree with what you are saying, but TV3 still provide more long-term jobs etc and yes it's great an Irish show is on Sky 1 but it won't run forever Sky.

Onthe3rdDay

irishmusicfeed wrote: »

I totally agree with what you are saying, but TV3 still provide more long-term jobs etc and yes it's great an Irish show is on Sky 1 but it won't run forever Sky.

And I agree that the show won't run forever, However they are commissioning New Irish or part Irish Stuff, like 50 Ways to Kill Your Mammy. It's another place that independent companies in Ireland can go to sell their wares.

I also think it's tough that companies that SKY come in and sell advertising and don't give too much back but that's the way it is in a free Market.

A native Irish Broadcaster Like TV3 will provide more long term jobs in the long run. It's unlikely to be TV3 however in that long run. UTV on the other hand will probably be around for a long time and if TV3 do go bottoms up there would be room in the Market here for a station that's not basically a relay of ITV.

Elmo

r3nu4l wrote: »

As the father of an avid kids TV watcher, I'd argue against that. The schedules on RTÉ junior and kids shows on RTÉ 2 in the morning are different, so if a kid doesn't want to watch a program on one channel there will be a different show on the other channel.

I'm not an advocate of sticking the kids in front of the TV all morning but choice is important for kids too. This is important for the Saorview viewers. That said I can use the computer to watch CBeebies live or on BBC iPlayer if needed but for the less technologically able, it's good to have choice.

Just a different perspective.

Regardless of Choice for the Under 6's on RTÉ TWO V RTÉjr, It took DCERN, BAI, RTÉ and various other people not to decide to move RTÉjr programming from RTÉ TWO in just under 2 years. When I say "not to decide" I mean they did nothing.

RTÉ are battling with the channel what we should expect from a new look 2: -

1. Prime Time Drama
2. Irish programming commissioned between 7 and 9

What we will get

1. I guessing they will bring back the Number 2 to differentiate it from RTÉ ONE
2. and everything that has gone before.

In relation to Moone Boy, Sky get €500million from Irish Audience's its really the least that they can do. In fairness to RTÉ they did help the production house that produce Moone Boy in the early years with Batchelor's Walk and I think some of the writers on Moone Boy wrote Paths To Freedom.

Cork_chick_94

I think they should bring back puppets in the afternoon. All the tacky shows they have tried in the afternoon have floped and got axed after 1 season.

Sam Russell

Cork_chick_94 wrote: »

I think they should bring back puppets in the afternoon. All the tacky shows they have tried in the afternoon have floped and got axed after 1 season.

Bosco?

Elmo

Sam Russell wrote: »

Bosco?

Zig and Zag, Dustin etc.

V.W.L 11

And who is going to pay for this stupid relaunch????oh wait THE TAXPAYER/LICENCE HOLDER AS F**KING USUAL

Sam Russell

V.W.L 11 wrote: »

And who is going to pay for this stupid relaunch????oh wait THE TAXPAYER/LICENCE HOLDER AS F**KING USUAL

Or perhaps the advertisers through larger audiences.

Elmo

Sam Russell wrote: »

Or perhaps the advertisers through larger audiences.

And who pays for adverts through consumption of products The Licence fee and tax payer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1tXS-NqT9I

Sam Russell

Elmo wrote: »

And who pays for adverts through consumption of products The Licence fee and tax payer.

You cannot have it both ways. TV is paid for by one of three ways.

1. Licence fee - most goes to RTE.

2. Subscription - most goes to Sky and UPC.

3. Advertising - some is paid by the state (and so the taxpayer so we may have safer roads etc.) but most is paid by commercial companies trying to sell goods.

Only the BBC does not carry adverts around here.

Elmo

Sam Russell wrote: »

You cannot have it both ways. TV is paid for by one of three ways.

1. Licence fee - most goes to RTE.

2. Subscription - most goes to Sky and UPC.

3. Advertising - some is paid by the state (and so the taxpayer so we may have safer roads etc.) but most is paid by commercial companies trying to sell goods.

Only the BBC does not carry adverts around here.

I was joking.

Most TV channels go though a rebrand or refresh or whatever.

icdg

Warning for VWL11 for shouting and use of language.

shruikan2553

Cork_chick_94 wrote: »

No matter what rebadging rte Two do,it will only be a matter of time unitil its back to Fr Ted reruns.

Father Ted reruns? I might start watching RTE

Hotblack Desiato

r3nu4l wrote: »

As the father of an avid kids TV watcher, I'd argue against that. The schedules on RTÉ junior and kids shows on RTÉ 2 in the morning are different, so if a kid doesn't want to watch a program on one channel there will be a different show on the other channel.

I'm not an advocate of sticking the kids in front of the TV all morning but choice is important for kids too. This is important for the Saorview viewers. That said I can use the computer to watch CBeebies live or on BBC iPlayer if needed but for the less technologically able, it's good to have choice.

Can't be many Saorview-only viewers with any interest in UK TV who don't have free to air satellite.

Re-hashing RTE Jr is a dreadful waste of RTE 2 but it is at least cheap, I suppose...

Ignorant etc.

Why is it that TG4 here and S4C in Wales, with their minimal budgets can turn out far superior programming to a lot of mainstream broadcasting?

Elmo

Ignorant etc. wrote: »

Why is it that TG4 here and S4C in Wales, with their minimal budgets can turn out far superior programming to a lot of mainstream broadcasting?

They value their funding. The language barrier means they can take risks without looking over the shoulder at Popular English programming (though this is more an issue here than in Wales) & they can take some risks.

On the other hand RTÉ TWO is constantly look over its shoulder at BBC3

endakenny

Elmo wrote: »

They value their funding. The language barrier means they can take risks without looking over the shoulder at Popular English programming (though this is more an issue here than in Wales) & they can take some risks.

On the other hand RTÉ TWO is constantly look over its shoulder at BBC3

That will change soon because BBC3 will be turned into an online-only (and thus geo-blocked) strand of programming.