tallus wrote: » Personally I think there's a huge distinction in dropping a bomb on an area miles away from you where you don't have to look face to face at the person you are killing and or maiming compared to physically beheading an individual with your own hand. The end result may be the same, but as far as I'm concerned, it has to take a serious a degree of out and out inhumanity to physically cut someone's head off. I'm not saying I agree with bombing either, far from it, but there's a distinction. You don't appear to be making that connection.
unseenfootage wrote: » Whoa.... Rationalizing that beheading an enemy combatant is as brutal as, if not less, than drone bombing from afar, does not mean I am rationalizing the actions of IS. There are several others who feel the same way about beheading. I said earlier that I do not support ISIS. I come here under the large tent of objurgation and to shed light on the hypocritical nature of Western Media and Politicians. I guess that just barging into a thread without reading prior posts leads one to make wild assumptions
babaracus wrote: » It is self serving with many glaring omissions. And when somebody is trying to excuse or engage in whataboutery when using it in reference to the actions of ISIS animals it stinks.
unseenfootage wrote: » These questions have been raised in the media over the last few days. - UK/USA now supports the Kurds with airstrikes and arms against ISIS for alleged intentions of genocide. - Whatabout the rebels in Syria who have asked the world for help against Assad who have brutally murdered 170 000 Syrians . Why are they not getting any help?
DeadHand wrote: » No-one took you seriously because it seemed like you were taking the piss. They definitely ain't Tuaregs, the Tuaregs being a nomadic tribe largely contained to North Africa. Maybe when on the road it is to keep the sand out... More likely, being as they are a terrorist, criminal organization they wish to make it easier on themselves to melt back into the general population when ISIS does finally meet it's well deserved demised. They don't want hard proof of their time brutalizing the defenseless existing.
DeadHand wrote: » You came here to appear all edgy, anti-establishment and anti-American and so made a despicable effort to dilute the inherent barbarity of the beheading and crucifixion of human beings by crying out "but look at the Yanks!/Africans!/Israelis!/Mexicans! they're just as bad!" Innocent people are dying horribly in Iraq and Syria for their religion and/or ethnicity and it isn't Politicians (whoever they are) or the Western Media that's killing them. If you want to start a thread shedding your light on the hypocrisy of the West, do so. Stop using western hypocrisy on this thread to rationalize genocide. Large tent of objurgation my arse.
comongethappy wrote: » The FSA & affiliates have received extensive outside help.... Right up to the point where the respective parliaments of France & the UK said 'no air strikes'..... So none happened. You are tying yourself up in knots with this trollish whataboutery in support of ISIS.
unseenfootage wrote: » These questions have been raised in the media over the last few days. - UK/USA now supports the Kurds with airstrikes and arms against ISIS for alleged intentions of genocide. - Whatabout the rebels in Syria who have asked the world for help against Assad who have brutally murdered 170 000 Syrians . Why are they not getting any help? Should we just ignore it and pretend that ISIS operates in a vacuum?
DeadHand wrote: » The Peshmerga are a moral, moderate force of proven determination and military capability. They have provided shelter and protection for all sects and ethnicities. They locked down their areas and protected their own people and others from the nightmare happening in the rest of Iraq while the Iraqi army fled. The Kurds deserve all the help they can get, they are now the front line defenders of civilization. The rebels in Syria were, unfortunately, composed of a large jihadist element and so untrustworthy. Nevertheless, the airstrikes against Assad almost went ahead but were prevented largely due to Russian pragmatism. Say what you want about Putin, he got that one right. I'd dread to think what would happen if the strikes went ahead. ISIS in Damascus and, possibly, Beirut at the very least.
unseenfootage wrote: » Let me get this straight. ISIS must be stopped at all costs even though Assad is more genocidal and more brutal than ISIS.
DeadHand wrote: » No, he isn't. The lesser of two evils thinking comes into play here. I doubt the Shia Muslim, Christian and Jewish communities of Damascus or anyone who isn't a Sunni Muslim for that matter would prefer to live under the black flag of ISIS than Assad's admittedly odious regime.
unseenfootage wrote: » He isn't? Whoa... Why did you factor out the Majority Sunni population by the way?
DeadHand wrote: » Provide evidence that Assad is more genocidal than ISIS beyond "whoa", please. The Sunni population wouldn't automatically be persecuted under ISIS. Sure, maybe life would be better for them. Just at the expense of every other sect and ethnicity being murdered, forcibly converted or expelled.
unseenfootage wrote: » How many Christians, Druze, Shia or Jews have been murdered by IS?http://www.genocidewatch.org/syria.htmlhttps://www.google.ie/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=genocide+syria You claim that IS is more genocidal than Assad? Can you please substantiate this? Facts and figures please.
DeadHand wrote: » Figures for what ISIS is doing are thin on the ground and they are just getting started (not that I'm saying Assad is finished by any means). Clearly, ISIS have not yet killed more people than Assad but their agendas, ambitions, motivations and policies are more genocidal than his. The organizations rival each other in terms of pure evil and my hope would be that they wear themselves down to the benefit of more moderate forces. Fact remains: The Middle East is a safer place with Assad in Damascus than it would be with ISIS there. The devil you know.
unseenfootage wrote: » Let's be honest here. ISIS is the greater evil not because they are more genocidal or brutal than Assad but because they have an Islamic agenda. Even if it was a moderate brand of Islam like the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt it still wouldn't have mattered because even that is perceived to be a threat to world security.
DeadHand wrote: » They're the greater evil because they are expansionist as well as being brutal and genocidal. .
mikemac1 wrote: » Eirigi outside Tesco Ballyfermot this evening with leaflets to boycott Israeli products and a few more guys with flags and some music and signs for Gaza. Nothing strange about that as they often do it. They have the black ISIS flag too. If ISIS are linked to Gaza I wonder if they'll put off a lot of the protestors that have been around Irish cities in the last few weeks. I hadn't known there was a link. Do people want to march under an ISIS flag,? Eirigi do anyway
.jacksparrow. wrote: » Em I really don't think eirigi support the isis.
.jacksparrow. wrote: » Em I really don't think eirigi support the isis, you have picked something up wrong.
United States Imperialism Continues in Iraq: Barack Obama has become the 4th American President to order air strikes on Iraq. US jets have started attacking ISIS militants in northern Iraq in the past 2 days. Obama said he could not "turn a blind eye" to the suffering of civilians. This is the same man who has been complicit in the killing of thousands of Palestinian civilians in the past month. This is in response to the fact that ISIS have made gains in their fight against ]Kurdish militia in the past week and were closing in on Erbil, the capital of the Kurdish region. The Kurdish region has long acted as a base of operations for American imperialism in Iraq. Hundreds of American special forces and 'advisers' are still in the area, despite the supposed withdrawal of all troops 2 years ago. As is so often the case when America becomes involved in Middle eastern affairs, oil is also a major motivating factor for Obama. Erbil is the administrative centre of the multi billion dollar oil industry in Northern Iraq. The American oil companies Exxon Mobil and Chevron began to evacuate staff in the past week as ISIS neared. This moved Obama to react. This is yet another example of Western intervention in the Middle East which is doomed to failure.
mikemac1 wrote: » I had a quick look at their Facebook page now that I'm home
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