donegal__road wrote: » In the main, all commodities are traded internationally using the US dollar. In 2000, Sadam planned to drop the Dollar in favour of the Euro to trade oil. The US moved on him within 12 months. In 2011, Gadafi planned to launch the African Dollar, and use it in place of the US petro-dollar to trade oil. The US moved on him within months. Last year, Iran began swapping oil for commodities such as gold, with India, China and Turkey, instead of using the US dollar. 3 American aircraft carriers moved towards Iran via the Gulf of Oman within a week of this.
Tail Docker wrote: » I know. I just couldn't be bothered spelling it out for the dummies down the back.
partyatmygaff wrote: » If you can give me five current US Government officials with power who will financially gain by starting and maintaining conflict then maybe we can upgrade the "ISIS is an example of a US Fabrication designed to generate money for Uncle Sam" conspiracy theory from grade A bull**** to fantastical but plausible.
LorMal wrote: » This thread is a joke now. Completely overtaken by a small pack of conspiracy theory clowns. It's all an American plot to make money on arms. There are no atrocities really - its all scaremongering by the 'western media'. The USA and Isreal are behind ISIS. What about the Palestinians? ('what about' are their 2 favourite words). What about Nigeria? What about Saudi beheadings? ......Ad Nauseum. We even have one clown trying to argue that it's part of the conspiracy that the US is NOT putting troops on the ground??? (I really don't know how that works, but anyway..). CTs travel in packs, quote spurious articles from derided sources and furiously support each other in their delusions. They have ruined the debate on the threads on Gaza as well. (You see it a lot on Boards with the Shinnerbots especially). Boards mods need to look at this IMHO - every interesting debate ends up being ruined by this juvenile behaviour. That's me out. I pray for those people on the mountain and I hope that America rescues them.
mad muffin wrote: » Despicable. People like that need to have their passports revoked and if their families are found implicated, deported from wence they came.
Egginacup wrote: » How much did Richard Cheney profit from fabricating the beginning of this Iraq debacle? Halliburton made $39.5 Billion from the war...and continues to do so. I understand that G.W. Bush only made a paltry $800 million. Rumsfeld took a tidy sum and continues to receive royalties. You may be asking (or splitting hairs) as to who currently in power stands to profit. Well it's very simple to work out for yourself. KBR, Halliburton and FLuor made 100's of millions charging the Pentagon 20 bucks for a can of coke for a GI or 100 bucks to service a kilo of laundry. Of course the Pentagon paid up because it wasn't them but the tax payer who was footing the bill. So expensive melarkey this regime-change. But if you think it's a fantastical conspiracy theory then that's up to you. When it comes to the war industry you have to maximise the money coming IN to the corporations and minimize it going OUT (like benefits, aid and pensions to war cripples/dead and their families).
Patrick2010 wrote: » Well said, the clown doing most of the posting saying ISIS are a grand bunch of lads has been joined by another clown who got bored winding people up on the Malaysian airline thread. Wouldn't surprise me if they're both a couple of college students who get a laugh out of stirring sh*t on boards. What would get a reaction on boards they think, "I know, I'll post support of ISIS, that should stir things up nicely"
mad muffin wrote: » Again. Where is the proof? So us some kind of credible proof? All I'm hearing so far is an episode of Person of Interest…
donegal__road wrote: » I dont mean to be derailing this thread, but I have been asked to provide proof of an earlier claim I made.Saddam to drop the Dollar in favour of the Euroalso *There is a great deal more online on that subject*Saving the World economy from Gaddafi's Gold DinarGaddafi's plans for a new African gold Dinar would have devastated the Dollar(the most important issue): Details of the 'Gold for Oil' bartering which is going on at present for Iran's Oil. Iran can bypass Western sanctions by bartering their oil. In 2012 they started bartering with India, China and Turkey... now Russia are on board. Putin is definitely going all in. We won't recognize the political landscape in another few years. The crisis will not be allowed to happen, as far as the US oligarchs are concerned, until the middle class has been completely fleeced. The West is living on its fat... for now.*for the purposes of this thread, the ISIS are beyond evil and should be exterminated. .
Egginacup wrote: » Right-thinking people all over the world are revolted by the US backed sickening carnage in Gaza. You're beloved and benevolent US hasn't halted the sale of a single cartridge in this nauseating butchery. Great fellows.
mad muffin wrote: » Show me documents for these figures? I mean you must have seen the documents? How else are you coming up with this?
mad muffin wrote: » Well, after thishttp://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=91668959&postcount=2805 I don't know what to believe anymore. I think I'll just forget about the Middle East and live in blissful ignorance.
renegademaster wrote: » demands proof from someone on a forum but will take the word of barry obama and his friends no questions asked lol see above burying heads in the sand is what's enabling all of this
mad muffin wrote: » I'm not taking the word of Obama. I'm just asking, if you are going to post some, let's face it, outlandish accusations. Back it up. After initially seeing the original photo. The guy so happy, smiling. That little girl. What looked like terror on her face. It affected me like none of the other images. The rest where all dead now. Suffering over. Her suffering was just beginning, set to last for years, if not the rest if her life, until her death. Then the truth is revealed. Someone taking such an innocent thing and turning it into something so monstrous. It has shaken me. I can't trust anything anymore. Everything is just lies and deceit. I can't be dealing with that in my life.
unseenfootage wrote: » That is just one such incident of deliberately false and misleading news. Here are a few more: http://justpaste.it/ExposedDebunked Mathew Barber tweeted this earlier:https://twitter.com/Matthew__Barber/status/498918115984830464 . It's about the false report that IS buried 500 Yazidis alive.
conorhal wrote: » In what comes as a shock to nobody, people that get all their information from twitter and crank sites, you not excepted, are frequently wrong.
unseenfootage wrote: » Frequently, yes, but not always. Twitter can, just like boards.ie or facebook or MSM be used to propagate falsehood but it can also be used to refute falsehood.
conorhal wrote: » The problem being that it's usually difficult to tell the difference, so for all it's faults, a newspaper with an editorial policy is typically more reliable. Irish RTE reporter Mark Little made a fortune reciently selling his company Storyful which was set up to do exactly that, track down on-line reporting to it's source to provide mainstream media with some kind of editorial confirmation that the source was real and verifyible. Without that kind of journalism, most on line media is just op ed junk.
unseenfootage wrote: » I don't know.http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/24/isis-women-girls-fgm-mosul-un Political analysts/freelance journos on twitter figured that this was a lie when Guardian and other News outlets very foolishly ran with this sensationalist story. Social Media, especially twitter, has changed everything. Nowadays it is ordinary people who have access to the news even before the MSM. On twitter you can get feeds from authorized accounts which are generally trustworthy and in most cases backed up with video and photographic evidences.
partyatmygaff wrote: » With some evidence, name me some current powerful US Government officials who will benefit financially from starting another war. How about just one person, even as a token effort?
And while you're at it, there was that other inconvenient question that doesn't fit in with your theory. I think it had something to do with why the USA isn't jumping at the chance to escalate their military involvement despite a rare show of public support.
Karl Stein wrote: » I'm not claiming there are a cabal of powerful people plotting a war to benefit from, there may be there may not be, I have no idea. I was highlighting the naivety of your question. You don't need a conspiracy of powerful men when the whole system is set up in such a way that it perpetuates the structures of power all by itself. It's an institutional thing.
Playboy wrote: » I think people are being overly critical of unseenfootage and Tail Docker. I think they have a very pertinent point in relation to the mainstream Western Media dividing the world up into Good and Evil. I dont know a huge amount about ISIS but I am suspicious of their timely arrival on the news desks of mainstream media. Bad Guys rarely think of themselves as bad guys and I think a bit of critical thinking around who ISIS are, what are their motivations, how did they come about, who is funding them etc is no bad thing.
People get hysterical about groups such as these and start calling for all sorts of military intervention when in fact they know very little about the context this group is operating in.
The Yazidi's should be helped but there are many ways and means to help other than bombs and weapons.
comongethappy wrote: » Suspicious? There is nothing sudden about ISIS. They have been beheading & crucifying Syrians for a couple of years now..... Widely reported in the media. Their origins & funding, widely known & reported also. That it hasn't crossed your personal radar is hardly cause for suspicion.
comongethappy wrote: » Does it matter in what context they behead people? The establishment of a new caliphate... That's the context. I'd love your opinion on what context they remove a Syrians head from their body falls into? Such as?
unseenfootage wrote: » The beheading started some time Yes, beheadings are particularly brutal but not more than say, a bomb dropped from a drone bomber or a fighter jet, or barrel bombs dropped from helicopters that dismembers and shreds to smithereens its victims, indiscriminately at times. As far as I know, IS is not the only group in the region who behead their enemies. There are well documented cases of other groups doing it. It is important to note that this punishment is only done on the battlefield. I have not come across ordinary criminals being beheaded.
conorhal wrote: » You're missing the point. Yes newspapers get it wrong, especially an in environment where there are diminishing investigative resources and an increased need to compete for click bait with on line media which doesn’t have an editorial staff or a requirement to fact check a story. BUT the percentage of times a newspaper gets it's facts wrong tends to be miniscule as compared to internet news sources, and when mainstream media like the guardian does get things wrong it's because it has (as was the case with this report) unquestioningly posted something from an internet site, which is why Mark Little's startup sold for so much, it's a means of outsourcing editorial verification so that newspapers don't get burned by twitter constantly when they do little more then re-tweet junk.
tallus wrote: » Personally I think there's a huge distinction in dropping a bomb on an area miles away from you where you don't have to look face to face at the person you are killing and or maiming compared to physically beheading an individual with your own hand. The end result may be the same, but as far as I'm concerned, it has to take a serious a degree of out and out inhumanity to physically cut someone's head off. I'm not saying I agree with bombing either, far from it, but there's a distinction. You don't appear to be making that connection.
Playboy wrote: » I think we need to understand how and why we have arrived at such an extreme situation.
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