Iwasfrozen wrote: » The thing is Islam guarantees the rights of religious minorities to practice in peace.
Adamantium wrote: » Didn't a man in Saudi die yesterday from ebola on the side of the road?
Tail Docker wrote: » Well, that's one way to ensure there's another war. We've had "Saddam eats babies". We've had "Gaddafi eats babies and rapes their mommies", now we have "ISIS kills Babies for being Christian! Go gettem!". This is the path to war. Some benefit from ensuring we "go gettem!". Sadly, they will prevail and there will indeed be a war. "Muslims are bad kids, mkay?" You heard it here first. Ish.
bboybaboy19 wrote: » What? Gaza is mentioned in the OP so how is it off thread drift? Tip on with your back seat modding there like a good boy.
While the world focuses on Gaza...
mad muffin wrote: » Islam? Maybe. Those Muslims? Not a chance.
Tail Docker wrote: » War? Which benefits who? Notice the Isis boys in their mile long convoys of 14 reg Toyota Hiluxes? Who paid for them? There's money behind them, so there money on a war. And in a war. BTW, I'm converting to Islam, just saying like. The beard is coming along nicely, the missus is ok with a burka and I'm learning the old "Allah akbar" phrases. Ye are on yer own..
take everything wrote: » What baffles me is why the average decent people of Muslim faith aren't denouncing these savages from the hilltops. Why aren't they actively reclaiming their religion from these savages.
old_aussie wrote: » This is what islam has been bringing for 1400 years.In 732 AD the Muslim Army which was moving on Paris was defeated and turned back at Tours, France, by Charles Martell. In 1571 AD the Muslim Army/ Navy was defeated by the Italians and Austrians as they tried to cross the Mediterranean to attack southern Europe in the Battle of Lapanto. In 1683 AD the Turkish Muslim Army, attacking Eastern Europe, was finally defeated in the Battle of Vienna by German and Polish Christian ArmiesMaybe the world should reconsider islam and what it brings.
sReq | uTeK wrote: » Whoever drew up religion is some troll
mad muffin wrote: » Crusade? Is it a crusade? I'm guessing you're calling for a crusade?
Tail Docker wrote: » Totally the opposite actually. I believe that "a crusade" as you put it might be right up some peoples alley, i.e they're pushing and fomenting for one, stirring up trouble in a deadly long game that started way back with the first invasion of Iraq. I'm anti-war as it happens. Wars only benefit certain ruthless people who profit from them.
Iwasfrozen wrote: » Mohammed didn't kill people for practising a different religions, he offered them protection in exchange for imposing a jizya tax on able bodied men.
FTA69 wrote: » As opposed to Christianity is it?
Renegade Mechanic wrote: » It is definitely on its way but youll never see us acting like those animals. We lead completely different lifestyles and ideals. The average "westerner" is not capable of decapitating a child so I wouldn't go scare mongering just yet.
Wibbs wrote: » Indeed, however in the case of most other religions including Christianity you have to hide and/or pervert the original message to get to the point of war and wholesale slaughter. Jesus himself never took up arms nor supported their use. Buddha most certainly didn't, yet wars have kicked off under both banners. With Islam you had a martial religion from the very get go. It IS an outlier. Plus it has about the strongest built in self protection against change. It's one of the basic tenets of the faith that change is to be avoided. Other religions have evolved and moved with the times and have had reformations large and small, Islam at its core and by design is still mired in early medieval thinking with no reformation possible. Muhammad and his followers were attacked from the outset by the Al Quraysh tribe and he found himself navigating a very volatile landscape of angry and hostile Arab and Jewish nomadic tribes. The militarisation of early Muslims was something forced on them, fight or die basically. It's actually very impressive how he and his band of Muslims managed to come out on top considering the forces who were against him. Of course the Muslims today would say this is because of divine intervention; the reality of course is because of the fact that Muhammad was a ruthless and astute commander and leader and general all-round badass. Still, despite how it looks now, Islam at the time was actually a very liberating force and was infinitely more progressive than what preceded it. For people to be talking about anti-racism and the notion of divorce and property rights for women in 600AD was a fairly big deal. As we know, Islam later became a major element in learning and human development which made advances in everything from astronomy to mathematics to medicine. They also generally had a much more tolerant view of other faiths than their Christian counterparts until very recently. However, the thing that winds me up about Islam today is the tendency amongst many of them to take the Qu'ran as the literal on how we should live our lives. Most Christians who believe every word of the Bible are written off as loopers for a good reason. The book is 1400 years old in fairness, and while there's some good moral stuff in it there's also a lot of crazy sh*te. The Surah entitled "The Women" is one clear example of this. That having been said Wibbs, Islam isn't a monolith and not everyone takes a fundamentalist view of it in that sense. There are plenty of modernist Muslims around for whom Islam is a positive influence. Islamic charitable donations for instance, are about 15 times the amount of global humanitarian aid. Similarly, most Muslims are open and tolerant people on most topics in my experience. They're no more zealous loopers than the average Mass-going Catholic you'd find in rural Ireland. While I think it's time humanity moved on from religion, I don't view Islam or its adherents as some sort of threat to civilisation as we know it. And I say that as someone whose working life is spent pretty much exclusively in a Muslim context.
Indeed, however in the case of most other religions including Christianity you have to hide and/or pervert the original message to get to the point of war and wholesale slaughter. Jesus himself never took up arms nor supported their use. Buddha most certainly didn't, yet wars have kicked off under both banners. With Islam you had a martial religion from the very get go. It IS an outlier. Plus it has about the strongest built in self protection against change. It's one of the basic tenets of the faith that change is to be avoided. Other religions have evolved and moved with the times and have had reformations large and small, Islam at its core and by design is still mired in early medieval thinking with no reformation possible.
Infini2 wrote: » Aaaand its **** like this that makes me wonder if the nuclear option would be the Better option for purging these animals from the global gene pool. Seriously the sheer brutality and savagery of these animals would make one wonder if nuking them all would be the better option even with innocents caught up in it (better a quick instant death than the horrors these scum would inflict on them sadly). Regardless once america got involved with this they should never have left expecially with the situation now unfolding. Not that the iraqi government is helping either something has to give there too. Hopefully something will happen so the innocents are saved from these scum.
FTA69 wrote: » Muhammad and his followers were attacked from the outset by the Al Quraysh tribe and he found himself navigating a very volatile landscape of angry and hostile Arab and Jewish nomadic tribes. The militarisation of early Muslims was something forced on them, fight or die basically.
Still, despite how it looks now, Islam at the time was actually a very liberating force and was infinitely more progressive than what preceded it. For people to be talking about anti-racism and the notion of divorce and property rights for women in 600AD was a fairly big deal.
As we know, Islam later became a major element in learning and human development which made advances in everything from astronomy to mathematics to medicine.
However, the thing that winds me up about Islam today is the tendency amongst many of them to take the Qu'ran as the literal on how we should live our lives. Most Christians who believe every word of the Bible are written off as loopers for a good reason. The book is 1400 years old in fairness, and while there's some good moral stuff in it there's also a lot of crazy sh*te. The Surah entitled "The Women" is one clear example of this.
That having been said Wibbs, Islam isn't a monolith and not everyone takes a fundamentalist view of it in that sense. There are plenty of modernist Muslims around for whom Islam is a positive influence. Islamic charitable donations for instance, are about 15 times the amount of global humanitarian aid. Similarly, most Muslims are open and tolerant people on most topics in my experience. They're no more zealous loopers than the average Mass-going Catholic you'd find in rural Ireland.
While I think it's time humanity moved on from religion, I don't view Islam or its adherents as some sort of threat to civilisation as we know it. And I say that as someone whose working life is spent pretty much exclusively in a Muslim context.
According to their history(which has no backup anywhere else) and as we know the winners write the history.
50 years ago the Muslim world in the middle east was very different and fundamentalists were rare. People forget that at one stage Iraq was communist and Iran, Lebanon and Afghanistan were very liberal and western in outlook and practice. More easy going and laid back in many ways.
Wibbs wrote: » Therein lays the problem though. You cannot compare the Quran with the Christian texts(or Jewish for that matter). People regularly make this mistake. The texts come from a very different mindset. The self protectionist nature of Islam requires followers to see the Quran as written directly by god and literal and immutable. The other faiths texts are seen as influenced by god, so there is far more wriggle room for evolution of philosophy and theology..
Jack Sawyer wrote: » Call me intolerant but as each day passes I increasingly have a harder time indulging peoples idiotic, varied and endlessly ridiculous religious beliefs.....
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