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Dublin GAA Discussion Thread MOD WARNING POST #2944

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keane2097

Slattsy wrote: »

My mole inside the Monaghan camp tells me that MDMA will be targeted for some rough treatment tomorrow.
There's an assumption among the Monaghan management that he's prone to lashing out and they think "they can get to him".

I would say he has been lucky on a few occasions this year, I seem to recall two or three instances of him throwing a poke after being fouled.

Slattsy

My mole inside the Monaghan camp tells me that MDMA will be targeted for some rough treatment tomorrow.
There's an assumption among the Monaghan management that he's prone to lashing out and they think "they can get to him".

Oasis_Dublin

Hopefully Monaghan really put it up to us tomorrow. With respect to the other teams in Leinster, we got half a challenge from Laois this year, and that was it. Wexford's best forward was kept out of the game, and Meath didn't show up on the day.

Mayo got a really good test from Cork (and came out the other end), while Kerry really should have been punished by Galway (if they got some confidence, they could definitely be a big contenders). Donegal have already got tests this year, so we need one.

DoctaDee

Moneymaker wrote: »

Ah here :pac:

Missed one match in the last 12 tears, usually in the Hill or lower Cusack.

Let me have a day eating prawn sandwiches :pac:

LOL.. I'm just afraid we'll lose ya forever to the suits !

Be interesting what you make out of the atmosphere up there ... think there's 6 rows of seats in each section ... I've been in the premium in Aviva and errr it's quiet... oh yeah don't forget the review on the roast beef either :pac:

Moneymaker

DoctaDee wrote: »

LOL .. we have our own prawn sandwich brigade ! Was only there once for Westmeath/Meath (remember Dessie Dolans last minute miss), on the upside and having no affinity to either I got the beers in ahead of the crowd at HT and a few during the game

Ah here :pac:

Missed one match in the last 12 tears, usually in the Hill or lower Cusack.

Let me have a day eating prawn sandwiches :pac:

ProudDUB

SM746 wrote: »

6pm. It'll be over by 7pm :-)

:D:D

I'm liking the look of that team. I think O'Gara and Andrews (and maybe even Cullen) will see some decent game time. I can see it being a tough, physical game and O'Gara & Andrews are very, very good at winning their own dirty ball.

DoctaDee

Moneymaker wrote: »

Ouch.

Got a Premium level ticket for tomorrow, unexpected surprise :cool:

I hear they do a mean roast beef.

LOL .. we have our own prawn sandwich brigade ! Was only there once for Westmeath/Meath (remember Dessie Dolans last minute miss), on the upside and having no affinity to either I got the beers in ahead of the crowd at HT and a few during the game

Slattsy

Moneymaker wrote: »

Ouch.

Got a Premium level ticket for tomorrow, unexpected surprise :cool:

I hear they do a mean roast beef.

You misheard.
They do a lean roast beef.

Moneymaker

Slattsy wrote: »

Going to miss the game.
To make matters worse, i wont even get to see a minute of it :mad:

Ouch.

Got a Premium level ticket for tomorrow, unexpected surprise :cool:

I hear they do a mean roast beef.

DoctaDee

I missed the last 5 mins of last years final and I was in Croker

. Pot herbs got the better of me and I ended up behind the Cusack pacing up and down, not helped by the fact I couldn't distinguish between a Mayo roar and a Dublin one

Slattsy

Going to miss the game.
To make matters worse, i wont even get to see a minute of it :mad:

DoctaDee

This is the 1st game we'll play without what would be termed traditional match ups. Being "optimistic", the Monaghan forward line will contain maybe 3 in our half - McManus, McGuinness & Hughes with the other 12 behind the ball.

The Dublin back 6 imo have been named (dunno whether they'll start in those positions) because of their adaptability across a number of positions in the back line. Any fix that's needed will be a shuffle of positions rather than replacements. While Hughes is named wing forward I'd imagine ROC will come to meet him inside the 45. I'd guess Monaghan will mark space across 3 lines of 4 men in their own half, the quality and speed of our kick passing will be tested tomorrow particularly from break down play. Best case scenario is to get ahead ahead early and force Monaghan out of their shell.

There seems to be a common perception that this will be the 1st time Dublin will be tested against a blanket defence this year and while certainly there will be a degree of learning tomorrow I don't think I'd be telling stories out of school to say that Dublin have been preparing all year to play against this system.

Before a ball was thrown in this year, if Dublin were to reach an AI they knew their path was being blocked by the Ulster champions and the clarity of the qualifier system this year gave them further insight to their likely opponents. The quality and intensity of the training games of the A's v Killer Bees (as Philly dubbed them) are designed to replicate the likely playing conditions against all playing styles. Without sounding demeaning to others, the blanket defence is an easy concept to coach into a group of players and an alternate Dublin 15 from the existing panel with other lads also brought in has given the team a foothold into the areas that the system can be broken down.

The big imponderable for Monaghan is how they could possibly prepare to the same degree, to replicate the playing style of Dublin in training sessions. I'd suggest at times it looks like Dublin have an extra man/2 man advantage on the field and 13 v 15 games may give them some inkling as to their task.

It'd be confident but not cocksure that Dublin have the answers for tomorrow, I can certainly see a period of when Monaghan will give it a serious rattle. If things go as planned in both games - Dublin are really looking forward to Donegal

keane2097

Would have thought Devereux matches up better than Cooper with Hughes who is named at wing forward for Monaghan.

Moneymaker

I like the look of that team. More pace and more physicality has been brought in which will be very useful indeed.

I think there's a decent chance that team could line out as selected. Cooper definitely has the qualities to be our No.6 for years to come. Can't see Kevin Mc lining out at 11, you'd imagine he'll swap with Alan fairly early on.

O'Gara at 14 seems an obvious and logical choice.

vicwatson

Not many in here though, it being the Dublin GAA duscussion thread and all that !!

SM746

vicwatson wrote: »

Fingers crossed :-》

Not for a neutral ovserver :-)

vicwatson

Fingers crossed :-》

SM746

vicwatson wrote: »

Sorry lads is throw in 6 (rte) or 7pm (sky website?)

6pm. It'll be over by 7pm :-)

vicwatson

Sorry lads is throw in 6 (rte) or 7pm (sky website?)

Past30Now

corny wrote: »

Yeah probably a dummy team. Makes no sense to move Devereux. Why not just play Cooper at 7.

A Brogan and Kev Mc will probably swap too.

Assuming he does start, pleased for Mickey Fitz.

Delighted to see Jim Gavin taking our "advice" and O'Gara and Cooper starting. Up front O'Gara and Berno will take on their full back line, with Alan and Macker swapping between the half forward line and the link to the two boys up front.

When I heard the team last night I assumed Johnny Cooper would start at 7. However by naming him at 6 Jim Gavin might be taking a long term view. Coops looks like a guy who'll be in that team for the next five plus years. Centre back could be a great slot for him. Nicky D is a fine player, but playing him at centre back limits the value of his pace. I wouldn't be surprised if the backs line out as named. I don't see Kevin Nolan starting this match.

Dubliner28

Agree, cant see Cooper starting at 6. Id say Nicky D to 6 and K.Nolan in @ 7.
Keeping McCafferys pace for the second half as Monaghan legs tire. Get nervous now, not because I think we'll lose just feel it will be closer that everyone thinks,
If its a wet wet day it will even things out and it will be slog fest and could get dirty and scrappy.

Dublin to pull away in the last 15 to win by 7-9

sgarvan

Can't see that team starting. I would think 2 changes to it.

corny

Yeah probably a dummy team. Makes no sense to move Devereux. Why not just play Cooper at 7.

A Brogan and Kev Mc will probably swap too.

Assuming he does start, pleased for Mickey Fitz.

copacetic

Sae the team there on twitter alright. Surprising to see the change that got cooper back in the side. Thought possibly Kevin Nolan would be back and McCaffrey would keep his place. Nick Devereux has been doing well at centre back and I'd have left him there to cover counter attacks. More suited to it than cooper and better fielder.

Having said all that, will be no surprise to see 2 changes at the back and up to 3 up front before throw in.

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corny

Oasis_Dublin wrote: »

Mannion hasn't been as good this year as he was last year, but it's completely unfair to suggest that he isn't up to the level.

His goal against Kerry last year, when Dublin had just conceded their second, was arguably the most important score we got in the Championship last season. Had it dropped short and been cleared, it would have been a horrible blow.

He's still looking dangerous this year, getting in position, winning ball. He just needs to be more efficient with his scoring. And when he reaches that potential, good luck to whoever we are playing against.

In the context of Dublin and whats required to make this team I think its absolutely fair comment.

That goal was very important and he finished it well but it was opportunistic. Bar the goal he didn't score from the QF on and imo he looked out of his depth against a decent marker. Wasn't just the scoring that let him down either. Couldn't get himself on the ball in the latter stages.

He had a great game against Mickey Burke in the Leinster final last year but after that he had little impact if you look at it objectively.

Not trying to knock the lad mind you. Very few players would excel when thrown in at the deep end so young. I'm sure his time will come, i just don't believe its now.

Oasis_Dublin

Mannion hasn't been as good this year as he was last year, but it's completely unfair to suggest that he isn't up to the level.

His goal against Kerry last year, when Dublin had just conceded their second, was arguably the most important score we got in the Championship last season. Had it dropped short and been cleared, it would have been a horrible blow.

He's still looking dangerous this year, getting in position, winning ball. He just needs to be more efficient with his scoring. And when he reaches that potential, good luck to whoever we are playing against.

AGC

salmocab wrote: »

I heard thru the wonders of the grapevine that Mannion wasn't told till just before the Leinster final that he was starting as they wanted him to relax the night before. Could be B.S. of course but I was told this before the game so before the change was made.

Yeah the morning of it I believe

Past30Now

I'd agree with the point made by Corny that Costello offers more,and is a better player. I'd also agree that Mannion hasn't been brilliant thus far this year, but for example in the first half against Meath, any time he received possession, I don't recall him wasting the ball. At no point was he uber dynamic with the ball but he was neat and tidy in possession, and made himself available throughout that half.

The point about the physical strength of Andrews and O'Gara together with the long range shooting of Rock is well made, and you could see Gavin making changes to the forward line on that basis. However it is likely that he will stick with the bulk of the forward line that started against Meath. The Brogans and Flynn are certainties. Both Connolly and Macker are almost as certain. That leaves Mannions place as the last seat at the table available. I don't imagine he'll start Costello as he's still quite young and probably more effective coming on against a tiring defence. O'Gara seems the obvious choice to me but Andrews and Mannion will push him close. Rock didn't play particularly well when he started the game against Wexford and I don't think he'll start.

salmocab

I heard thru the wonders of the grapevine that Mannion wasn't told till just before the Leinster final that he was starting as they wanted him to relax the night before. Could be B.S. of course but I was told this before the game so before the change was made.