Sully wrote: » The comments were made only 10 days into the conflict. Now that the comments are more public, he is backtracking on what he said. If Sinn Fein intend to treat fire with fire, an eye for an eye and all that jazz than it reveals a completely different side to the party that for so long tried to steer away from the angle of violence that is constantly attached to them. Treat violence with violence? 10 days into the conflict? Would this be Sinn Fein's response if in government to any form of conflict? If the UN take on Israel it's just going to create a bigger problem. It was 10 days into the conflict he made the comments so god only knows what he would suggest now if the same discussion popped up on local radio. You can't suggest after 10 days of a conflict that a third party needs to jump in all guns blazing and result in more innocent civilians killed and more blood spilled. A notion that has followed the party following it's on involvement in conflict over the years in the North. Said article about the comments is here; http://www.thejournal.ie/sinn-fein-shell-israel-1598898-Jul2014/
obezyana wrote: » The thing about about John Hearne is at least he appears to give a toss by standing up to some unsavoury elements of Waterford at least he shows up to support people who need it at least he is out and about for people to see and people are responding in a positive way to him and that is something that no one can deny no matter how much they may dislike him or Sinn Fein.
Cabaal wrote: » So what he said should be ignored and nobody should think its idiotic? I'm afraid it doesn't matter what party somebody is in, if they come out with such a foolish, ill thought out comment then they deserve the negative backlash. If a FF, FG or labour TD said the same thing then no doubt some of the same people defending this man would be calling for the person to reassign etc I don't think this is SF bashing, this is bashing somebody who made a very stupid comment in a very public way. If this guy was any other party I'd expect the party to call him out on it and for the person to very much apologise for such a idiotic comment.
obezyana wrote: » I agree as a person in the public realm he should not of said what he said in such a direct way but the thing is there is people out there who are just waiting to pounce on any negative thing remotely linked to Sinn Fein and it's so prevalent on Boards that it's getting very old now. I don't agree in what he said but it feels like the OP was trying to be sensationalist just because it was John Hearne/Sinn Fein.
Sully wrote: » Hardly, people have been lambasting Sinn Fein for years on their policy and proposals. They quote people as supporting their views and that person then comes out and contradicts them. The problem is that Sinn Fein take the high ground on absolutely everything, get in on the bandwagon on absolutely everything and lately it's more obvious with a watered down political system we have. Fianna Fail gets the same now that it's in opposition, but it's not cared about. Nobody seems to care much that the Water Charges is the Fianna Fail brainchild pre-EU/IMF agreement but Sinn Fein are pulled up on their opposition to it despite supporting and implementing it in the North. It's just the political circle at the moment and is becoming more noticeable as sensitive Sinn Fein supporters jump on the 'Leave poor Sinn Fein alone' bandwagon while Fianna Fail keep a low profile and try sneak back. I know a lot of people have become fed-up of the constant rhetoric and nonsense they spout. Even one of their own leading members effectively told them to pull their socks up as they aren't ready for government. It's becoming increasingly obvious they are a party that talks the talk but won't walk the walk in the South as they scream and shout but don't want to get in a position where they need to make tough decisions (look at the way they ran the locals, didn't try capitalise at all on the anti-government vote and then they sided with Fine Gael at council level!).
obezyana wrote: » Im not debating about what Sinn Fein have or havent done i dont really care what their policy is they just like other parties are full of nonsense and lies for the most part. Sinn Fein get a bashing because they are an easy target and FG the party you shout for love having a go at them and at FF why? because they are easy targets the latter is a more prevalent lately because they were in government when the country failed....again easy target. This thread was started so people could jump on the anti Sinn Fein brigade why wasnt it contained to the politics thread? it wasnt because the OP wanted to get attention brought to his shock and dismay at what John Hearne had said. There have been numerous governments since the formation of this state that have sat back and said nothing whilst the catholic church destroyed peoples live while the nuns were busy taking women's babies away for adoption while they were murdering them they and burying them in mass graves, i must point out that non of these previous governments have had Sinn Fein involved. So you tell me Sully is your party a clean glorious all saving one......no it isnt it but you wont stick up a thread about any of that will you, you wouldnt leave it open if some else started it as it would be quickly closed or moved to some other part of Boards that you have no control. So Sully people like you and your fellow party members need to look at your own lies and misgivings before ye all jump on the anti Sinn Fein brigade....just because its an easy thing to do. All these attacks on Sinn Fein are because the main political parties are getting worried as Sinn Fein are slowly becoming a force and the idea of the Shinners getting anywhere near government scares the sh!te out of them. Now should this not be closed and merged in the politics thread for everyone over there to fight it out or is it left here for maximum exposure so the Shinner bashing can gain momentum.
Sully wrote: » If you think FG are attacking them, you're mistaken. Sinn Fein are well known around political circles to having their membership take to the forums etc. to defend and promote. It's widely accepted that FG would be pretty poor at that. Mainly down to the membership age groups, I think. I think Sinn Fein are much better at communication than the other parties too. But Sinn Fein in government, as their own leading members say, there simply nowhere near ready or capable. Anyway, this isn't the place to get into a political discussion or get into the pros/cons and your defence of Sinn Fein. The topic was created to point out a largely ignored by the media (and the internet, which says a lot!) alarming statement by a Sinn Finn councillor in Waterford. You can be damn sure if FG/FF/Lab made a similar statement it would be a massive political talking point and splashed all over the internet and media circles.
obezyana wrote: » Sinn Fein isnt in government your party is and they keep messing things up, ie the medical card sham, the property tax, the water charges and many more. Yes your right this isnt the place for it and as i previously said it should be in the politics forum but its not because it suits you and others to have out in the open for maximum exposure. I am not setting out to spend my time defending Sinn Fein or John Hearne im just sick to death seeing people on this website jump on every supposed bad thing that involves Sinn Fein, this thread was started for that very same reason and tbf its getting very boring and old. It wouldnt be all over the place because people/mods like you would have it locked in an instant. Now i know from seeing other threads that you and 7upfree love going back and forth with things and he/she is very good at countering anything you might spout on about so im going to leave this conversation and let him/her carry on the good work they do.
Sully wrote: » If you think FG are attacking them, you're mistaken. Sinn Fein are well known around political circles to having their membership take to the forums etc. to defend and promote.
olpaddymac wrote: » John has being doing a lot of good work lately with tackling Criminality in Waterford but he has let himself down with these comments. I myself am sympathetic to the Palestine plight but to suggest bombings and more violence as a solution to it is foolish and ill advised.
tomwaterford wrote: » to suggest stand back and do nothing while isreal gets away scot free with killing near on 2000 civilans (have palesinesas killed that many in the last ten years??) they are every bit as bad if not worse than them people in Ukraine who shot down that plane...getting away with it because they have either Russia or America backing them
Azwaldo55 wrote: » If Ireland was next door neighbors to Gaza and Hamas was firing at us with rockets at our men women and children we would do precisely the same as the Israelis.
O Riain wrote: » Those maps are completely different and what do they prove exactly? Listen, while it is terrible that the average Israeli has to put up with rocket fire from Hamas, you have to remember here that these rockets are largely ineffective and the only reason there are rockets coming out of Palestine is because the Israelies limit the food going into Palestine, have a blockade on the place, steal their land and kill their women/children. Everyone uses the stance "If we were having rockets fired at us we would act the same as the Israelis" my answer to do this is - I would hope that we never give people half the reasons to launch rockets at us as the Israelis have given to the Palestinians. They genuinely do hate Palestinians over there by the way. I have a number of Israeli friends whos facebook pages I have went onto. Luckily facebook is able to translate Hebrew and there is one phrase that appears just a bit too much - 'Death to Arabs'. Scary stuff.
Facts wrote: » What about the comments O Riain by Clr Hearne? I am genuinely surprised there had been so little comment on what was said! I don't know what the reason for this is!
O Riain wrote: » Those maps are completely different and what do they prove exactly?
Listen, while it is terrible that the average Israeli has to put up with rocket fire from Hamas, you have to remember here that these rockets are largely ineffective and the only reason there are rockets coming out of Palestine is because the Israelies limit the food going into Palestine, have a blockade on the place, steal their land and kill their women/children.
Everyone uses the stance "If we were having rockets fired at us we would act the same as the Israelis" my answer to do this is - I would hope that we never give people half the reasons to launch rockets at us as the Israelis have given to the Palestinians.
They genuinely do hate Palestinians over there by the way. I have a number of Israeli friends whos facebook pages I have went onto. Luckily facebook is able to translate Hebrew and there is one phrase that appears just a bit too much - 'Death to Arabs'. Scary stuff.
O Riain wrote: » Totally foolish comments but I think it goes to show peoples frustrations at the situation. A world not willing to help a people that genuinely need help just because they are poor, brown and muslim. I've seen what Hamas's suicide bombs have done in Israel and it is not nice at all but Israel need to start making concessions. I can guarantee you for every 1 Hamas fighter they have killed there are probably now 50 new recruits to take his place over Israels actions. This will not be solved with bombs, that goes for John Hearnes statement too.
