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Man drowns trying to remove the Tricolour.

bear1

I'm actually quite speechless about this:

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/man-drowns-while-swimming-across-pond-to-remove-irish-tricolours-30467518.html

What a waste of a life for something so bloody minute.
A 68 year old tries to swim across a pond with a flag in his hand to remove the Tricolour drowns.. and for what?
Sometimes I think the world is getting crazier by the minute.
What a stupid way to end your life.

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LizT

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chaddonnelly banned for being a re-reg.

P_1

A piece of cloth is such a pointless thing to have to die over. I won't take any joy from this man's death, you'd really have to feel for his family.

BorneTobyWilde

P_1 wrote: »

A piece of cloth is such a pointless thing to have to die over. I won't take any joy from this man's death, you'd really have to feel for his family.

Yea they should raise a flag in his honor ,or remove a flag in his honor.

wow sierra

I am not an admirer of FAIR and the kind of sectarianism they represent but flags are important.

Whether its the county flags waved in Croke park or the country ones in the Olympics or the World cup - most people take huge pride in their flag. It's pride of place of a shared history etc etc.

There are worse and sadder things to care about - like the latest iPhone or who is going to win Xfactor.

And I know its after hours but a man is dead - it's not really funny.

Jayop

It's shocking hard to feel sympathy. Of course whoever put them up to stir **** shouldn't have done so, but I don't know if any of you drive through the north much, but there's Union flags all over the place, and not just in Unionist areas. They can be out in the countryside along a main national road. The main purpose of the Union flags being flown now is in an attempt to intimate people. Those who fly them are a weird bunch and clearly this old buck was one of the weirdest when he went to this kind of extreme. I wouldn't think his death will do community relations in the north any harm.

NIMAN

In terms of pettiness and stupidity, this sets new standards even for NI.

Feel so sorry that a father and grandfather has died over a flag, a piece of cloth. Nothing is that important to lose your life over.

Macavity.

endacl wrote: »

And natural selection makes the world a slightly smarter place...

:rolleyes:

He was in his late sixties...

InReality

I'm sure he didn't think he was risking his life !

Jack Sawyer

Aw that's so sad...... it's so sad that people had to pretend to ring their hands and feign being conscientiously considerate about the fact that the Irish flag was flying in Ireland.

So sad that after the early industrialisation and nautical prowess of Great Britain allowed them to go forth and exert their huge might on less developed countries, stripping them of assets, rights, pride, independence, dignity and so much more in their tawdry, greedy quest to loot the Planet they left behind a man who felt that the very most he could offer society and his community was to drown while attempting to perpetuate petty, symbolic, smalltime hatred.

- History tells us that Great Britain has been giving back the territories it bullied it's way into over the years.... Someday the 6 counties will be the last remaining victims of their offshore looting forays - I know that just as the Irish want to see a united Ireland so too the British are embarrassed by the accidental, rabble aftermath left behind who claim to be fellow countrymen - perhaps we just need more ponds and more target flags?

PS If you are reading this and you happen to be a 20 year old University student who Sinn Fein recruited through the passenger door window of your Mummy's Renault Scenic - please know that you don't represent me or anyone I respect and hopefully you never will.

El Weirdo

I'm sorry, but just lol at the poppy wreath.

Karl Stein

El Weirdo wrote: »

I'm sorry, but just lol at the poppy wreath.

Bewildering.

Truly bewildering.

The Diabolical Monocle

Karl Stein wrote: »

Bewildering.

Truly bewildering.

News just in.
Republican drowns in attempt to remove wreath.

Badly Drunk Boy

I don't think it has been mentioned that before the tricolours were put up last week, there had been a union flag flying on the island in the pond, so it was the loyalist side who had started the 'intimidation by flag'. Well, according to The Guardian...

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/jul/28/ozzy-bradley-drowns-bessbrook-pond-armagh-irish-flags

"Among others who called for the flags to be removed in the interest of lowering community tension was Sinn Féin.

The two flags were erected last week after someone had replaced the union flag that previously had been flying on top of the small island."

Karl Stein

The Diabolical Monocle wrote: »

News just in.
Republican drowns in attempt to remove wreath.

If anything it would be someone who lost a relative for a more noble cause than the 'Great Amphibious assault of Bessbrook Pond'. I think I'd be quite annoyed if I was a British person that the poppy held significance for.

greentea is just wrong

I heard from a local source that apparently the man wasn't even able to swim!!

It's really hard to have any sympathy for someone who does something this stupid. Same level as someone having ten pints who can't drive and thinking, "hey, you know what's a good idea right now, taking this motorbike out for a spin! Sure what could possibly go wrong".

Dick phelan

GOOD one less bigot in the world is always good news, i hope all this FAIR crowd drown along with the Real IRA, NI still has these bigoted fools feel sorry for the good decent people in NI, time for the Loyalist to move into 2014 and STFU about flags.

h2005

Reoil wrote: »

Oh it is. If he was fit enough to try to swim that distance in cold water with confidence, then I wouldn't classify him as a "pensioner" in the "old man" stereotype sense of the word.

Thing is he wasn't.

[Deleted User]

That wreath is shocked I'm pretty sure. :P

Shakespeare's Sister

caustic 1 wrote: »

I am afraid it the posts and replys on this thread really highlight the fractured nature of society in general when some are making jokes and taking delight about another person from the other side dying.

The "other side"? As in, there are Irish people and then Frazer's crowd of fanatics in the North and that's it?

A fair bit more to it than this guy simply holding a view that people disagree with.

RandomName2 wrote: »

In all seriousness if it were the opposite way around (down here, union jack) - we'd have people saying
"really tragic, pointless death. Unwanted English imperialism again causes loss of life - why should he choose to turn the other cheek, etc."

Sure we would. Well maybe a tiny handful but if you think the above would be the overwhelming sentiment you don't know After Hours. Such a person would also be deemed a fanatic and very foolish.

I don't feel delight at this incident, in fairness - it's a pointless and, yes, tragic death. But it does illustrate ludicrous extremism.

Sound of Silence

El Weirdo wrote: »

I'm sorry, but just lol at the poppy wreath.

The death is tragic and all, but Jesus Christ that is the most pathetic picture I've seen in a long time. A poppy wreath, really?

Not to mention that it looks like a damn life-preserver.

magentis

El Weirdo wrote: »

I'm sorry, but just lol at the poppy wreath.

HAHA fcuking pathetic isn't it!

P_1

Karl Stein wrote: »

If anything it would be someone who lost a relative for a more noble cause than the 'Great Amphibious assault of Bessbrook Pond'. I think I'd be quite annoyed if I was a British person that the poppy held significance for.

Gallipoli it certainly wasn't that's for sure.

jjbrien

Dick phelan wrote: »

GOOD one less bigot in the world is always good news, i hope all this FAIR crowd drown along with the Real IRA, NI still has these bigoted fools feel sorry for the good decent people in NI, time for the Loyalist to move into 2014 and STFU about flags.

but they are not flags they are flegs

I agree totally with you btw its high time they move into 2014 and forget about the past. Marching about old battles too that have no relevance to life in 2014

P_1

jjbrien wrote: »

but they are not flags they are flegs

I agree totally with you btw its high time they move into 2014 and forget about the past. Marching about old battles too that have no relevance to life in 2014

Indeed, frankly I'm baffled that so many people let the squabbles that their (multiple)great grandfathers had define their lives so much.

Mal-Adjusted

El Weirdo wrote: »

I'm sorry, but just lol at the poppy wreath.

What is meant to be happening here? did these lads put the wreath in the pond as a mark of remembrance or are they upset because somebody threw one away? A picture needs context.

The Golden Miller

The situation is just baffling on so many levels. The guy obviously had planned this before he got to the lake to remove the Irish flags, as he went out of his way to bring union flags, but it never even occurred to him at any point during his preparation, that it would be easier to get across in a boat? Mind -boggling how retarded he was, but that's just your typical uneducated knuckle dragging loyalist I guess

The fact him and loyalist are so ignorant, they genuinely can't see the double standards at play......it's ok for the union flag to fly there first, but it's intimidating to the community when the Irish flag goes up. Yet it's OK again if the union flag goes back up, and that would be democratic in their eye's.

The fact that Willie Frazer has somehow managed to drag this back to the IRA, despite Sinn Fein even last week condemning the Irish flag going up. Would you ever see a unionist party ever condemning a union flag going up anywhere, for the sake of community relation between two groups?

Unionist's/loyalist's are just getting more deluded by the day. They truly are a laughing stock. I've no sympathy whatsoever for the bigoted sectarian idiot who drowned.

jjbrien

Mal-Adjusted wrote: »

What is meant to be happening here? did these lads put the wreath in the pond as a mark of remembrance or are they upset because somebody threw one away? A picture needs context.

who are these guys with the reeth anyways? They look like polititions. I thought the poppy was supposed to be for those who died defending their country whist serving in the army? Are they implying this idiot who died trying to take down the tricolour with a union jack died in service to the uk? Im baffled by this one.

The Golden Miller

jjbrien wrote: »

who are these guys with the reeth anyways? They look like polititions. I thought the poppy was supposed to be for those who died defending their country whist serving in the army? Are they implying this idiot who died trying to take down the tricolour with a union jack died in service to the uk? Im baffled by this one.

There is no logic to unionism/loyalism, so no point in trying to figure it out. You won't be able to, no one can. Warped and deluded

El Weirdo

jjbrien wrote: »

who are these guys with the reeth anyways? They look like polititions. I thought the poppy was supposed to be for those who died defending their country whist serving in the army? Are they implying this idiot who died trying to take down the tricolour with a union jack died in service to the uk? Im baffled by this one.

The one closest to the camera is Wee Willie Frazer, all-round nut-job and ****-stirrer.

Google him for guaranteed hilarity.

moc moc a moc

Drakares wrote: »

He still had a family

Don't remind us. Darwin is spinning in his grave as we speak.