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Smoking in Pubs after hours

Jumboman

I was in a pub (which I wont name unless I'm given permission to) in camden street in dublin last night when it got closing time the barmaid shut the main door into the pub and starting handing out ashtrays then half the pub started smoking.

This was a shock to me I have not been in a pub were people were smoking since the smoking ban was bought in. It made me remember what the horrible smell of tobacco was like which I was forced to inhale.

I woundn't mind so much if this pub had a special room for smokers but this was in the main bar and it was impossible for non smokers to avoid breathing in the smoke.

What I'd like to know does this happen in a lot of pubs were they let people smoke after hours ? or maybe I just went unlucky to have gone to a very dodgy establishment ?

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Feisar

SpaceTime wrote: »

It's actually a really seriously dodgy legal position.
There would still be people cleaning etc after closing time, and it would still probably be considered a workplace.

Apart from being fined, they could be opening themselves up to being sued by employees too as it's basically a consider health and safety issue i.e. exposure to noxious smoke.

Never understood the bar stool knowledge that states that after closing it's OK to smoke in a bar. It's still a work place!
In fact it used to feel like the start of another shift when I'd put down the glasses and pick up the mop.

osarusan

Off topic, but i moved back to Ireland in 2008, and within a week or so was heading to the pub with friends.

Completely forgot about the ban, and lit a cigarette off one of the candles on the tables.

Barman was just looking at me with this baffled look on his face, and I was looking confused at his bafflement. Then it hit me and I ran for the door.

TireeTerror

osarusan wrote: »

Off topic, but i moved back to Ireland in 2008, and within a week or so was heading to the pub with friends.

Completely forgot about the ban, and lit a cigarette off one of the candles on the tables.

Barman was just looking at me with this baffled look on his face, and I was looking confused at his bafflement. Then it hit me and I ran for the door.

What were you going to do with the ash?

0ph0rce0

Ahhh i love when people start threads thinking everyone will agree with their opinion and then they get Lashed Out Of It. Classic Boards

Happy Summer Folks

Little CuChulainn

El Weirdo wrote: »

Hold on, this report here (page 5) says that the annual number of new cases of lung cancer averaged around 1700 between the years 1994-2008, so how do you get:

You're not taking account of population change. If you look at the graphs on that page you linked, you can see there has been an overall reduction 15 per 1000 in men an increase of about 10 per 1000 in women. I actually worked out the numbers incorrectly but there is still a pretty substantial decrease, particularly among men, who would tend to populate pubs more.

El Weirdo

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

... I actually worked out the numbers incorrectly...

You mean you pulled them out of your arse?

CdeC

you shouuld've coughed really loudly everytime someone exhaled to let them know fo your disapproval

Strumms

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

The smoking ban is for the benefit of employees, not other customers. So those people saying the law stoppped once they closed the shutters are completely wrong. It doesn't matter if it's only the boss and his mates left over, if someone is being paid to serve them then the law is being broke. sure, the op could leave his paid for pint and get out but why should he have to? And what about the bar staff who are stuck there?

The attitudes here are typical of the hypocritical bull**** you see throughout the country. Everyone wants to get rid of corruption and see the law obeyed, except when it's enforced on them.

With locks in.. giving my local as an example... the staff who remain there do so as they want to, they will be having a few pints themselves, a smoke if they do and enjoying the craic and getting a few quid extra or the free pints whatever. Most of the staff especially the part timers leave when they are supposed too... collage in the morning, dropping off kids to school or just couldnt be arsed etc. I don't see a gun held to anyone's head staying back. If nobody would be staying back there would be no lock in.. period.

Yes people want to see rid of corruption. Do you seriously suggest we sort out the injustices in the country by sending out the lock in police so that our OP here can be saved from his own hypocrisy ? Or perhaps we should start with the decision makers in this country, the so called leaders who have been acting in self interest over public interest for generations ?

end of the road

TireeTerror wrote: »

Hey OP, seeing as the vast majority of posts in here are from cnuts,, and you've been personally insulted by at least one moderator, I suggest seeking revenge by posting the name of the bar and also taking legal action against them. So many muppet posts by clowns trying to justify illegal actions because it makes them feel like a rebel against the state by smoking or drinking after the bar is shut.

Fact is it is illegal, and if someone is being called a sissy for questioning having a pint in the pub, then suddenly finding the doors are locked and ashtrays being handed out, well they're the morons in my opinion.

Now it seems like a funny joke when gardai and the like are now making their own rules. Yet I'm fairly sure we would have seen the same loud mouthed posters up in arms about same Gardai in other situations which did not benefit the public, screaming outrage like "Its one rule for them, and another for us!" or "Do as I say, not as I do!"

So you should have been able to say to the barmaid "Excuse me but it is not permitted to smoke in a licensed premise" and that be that.

its a smoke, get over it, thats what happens at a lockin, you don't like it don't stay

TireeTerror

end of the road wrote: »

its a smoke, get over it, thats what happens at a lockin, you don't like it don't stay

Smoking crack is also smoking, is that permitted? Dont like it? Fcuk off away home.

You see the principal is the same. It is illegal and therefore it is not allowed, it does not matter if it is tobacco, class A drugs or anything else, the law exists and is not to be enforced only when it takes your fancy.

It may not be the popular choice, but the law is the law and if you want to smoke in a bar, best YOU are the one to leave and find a country where it is still legal.

readyletsgo

paddyland wrote: »

Do you know the worst part about dying of lung cancer?

You can't sh1t any more. The part of your body that controls that stops working. So you are constipated, with the worst constipation you ever had in your life. Because it never gets better. You end up screaming in agony.

There are no drugs the doctor can give you to make that pain go away. You are stuck with it. The best you can hope for is that after hours of agony, a bit leaks out. Then your friends and loved ones have the humiliation of mopping you up like a baby. Then, after a couple of hours, the agony starts all over again.

Until finally, you die.

That has to be the most depressing post I have ever read in my life!

Thanks for reminding me of my Mothers, Uncle and Aunt's horrible death from different cancers, all of whom, none smoked.

And a Happy Friday to you, Paddyland

El Weirdo

TireeTerror wrote: »

Smoking crack is also smoking, is that permitted? Dont like it? Fcuk off away home.

You see the principal is the same. It is illegal and therefore it is not allowed, it does not matter if it is tobacco, class A drugs or anything else, the law exists and is not to be enforced only when it takes your fancy.

It may not be the popular choice, but the law is the law and if you want to smoke in a bar, best YOU are the one to leave and find a country where it is still legal.

But, as has been pointed out numerous times in this thread, being on licensed premises after hours is also illegal.

If one is so principled, maybe one should also "fuck off away home".

end of the road

TireeTerror wrote: »

Smoking crack is also smoking, is that permitted? Dont like it? Fcuk off away home.

You see the principal is the same. It is illegal and therefore it is not allowed, it does not matter if it is tobacco, class A drugs or anything else, the law exists and is not to be enforced only when it takes your fancy.

It may not be the popular choice, but the law is the law and if you want to smoke in a bar, best YOU are the one to leave and find a country where it is still legal.

or you could smoke in the bar here in ireland if the owner says so after hours

wally79

TireeTerror wrote: »

Smoking crack is also smoking, is that permitted? Dont like it? Fcuk off away home.

You see the principal is the same. It is illegal and therefore it is not allowed, it does not matter if it is tobacco, class A drugs or anything else, the law exists and is not to be enforced only when it takes your fancy.

It may not be the popular choice, but the law is the law and if you want to smoke in a bar, best YOU are the one to leave and find a country where it is still legal.

Smoking crack is illegal anywhere. Just because both involve smoking doesn't make them comparable

TireeTerror

end of the road wrote: »

or you could smoke in the bar here in ireland if the owner says so after hours

Wrong. It is not up to the owner of the bar to start inventing laws, he has to enforce them. Why do you think they lock the door before doing it, so they don't get caught. Criminals the lot of them. They should all be locked up for a very long time where they can reconsider their attitudes.

irishejit

TireeTerror wrote: »

Wrong. It is not up to the owner of the bar to start inventing laws, he has to enforce them. Why do you think they lock the door before doing it, so they don't get caught. Criminals the lot of them. They should all be locked up for a very long time where they can reconsider their attitudes.

And the award for over-reaction of the year goes to....

El Weirdo

TireeTerror wrote: »

Wrong. It is not up to the owner of the bar to start inventing laws, he has to enforce them. Why do you think they lock the door before doing it, so they don't get caught. Criminals the lot of them. They should all be locked up for a very long time where they can reconsider their attitudes.

:rolleyes:

secman

OP....... just report the pub........very simple, let the authorities keep an eye on them. A 3k fine will soften their cough........

The Dagda

TireeTerror wrote: »

Wrong. It is not up to the owner of the bar to start inventing laws, he has to enforce them. Why do you think they lock the door before doing it, so they don't get caught. Criminals the lot of them. They should all be locked up for a very long time where they can reconsider their attitudes.

http://memecrunch.com/meme/I5N7/it-s-righteous-indignation-friday/image.jpg

freshpopcorn

People who work in pubs/hospitality industry in both urban and rural areas know lock-ins happen. If there not happy with the situation they can find another job. I know plenty of people who really enjoy working during lock-ins because the atmosphere is a lot more relaxed.

TireeTerror

irishejit wrote: »

And the award for over-reaction of the year goes to....

To be honest I hate people smoking in my presence, so this particular subject is one I feel strongly about. My points are based upon principal though, where do you draw the line if we are going to start flouting the law?

Why should it be illegal to smoke crack or take marijuana or anything else, its my body, surely I can do what the hell I like and Governments can jog the fcuk on and mind their own business? Why should they tell me when and when I cannot drink alcohol?

The reality is this thing we call society has laws which we employ Gardai to enforce. So if you want to be a criminal and do what you want, then thats your choice and you can face the consequences. The problem I have is with the general trend of this thread where people have made out as if the OP is a sissy, a grass and all other manner of things purely because he questioned the fact the publican was breaking the law and spoiled his enjoyment of the night.

Smoking is either going to be permitted or it is not, and as it stands it is not. So its straight forward, next time I'm in a pub and I see this happening, I will be discreetly recording every single person in the pub, the person dishing out the ashtrays and then I will inquire at the bar as to why people can smoke, then when I get the "Its a lock-in" crap I will engage in a conversation as if I'm in support of this and lure the staff member (hopefully the owner) into talking about why they do it and how they are aware its against the law but that the Gardai turn a blind eye to it. I will then report it to the Gardai anonymously while in the bar without anyone hearing. Then when they fail to respond I will then pass it all on to the press and post videos up on youtube and then we can all witness the law being enforced to the maximum of its capacity and hopefully a lesson will be learned throughout the country. I shall make it my one man mission!!!!

Then I will be on a campaign to ban smoking in public places, and then ban it altogether. Hopefully that will be the next goal of the EU puppet masters.

wally79

TireeTerror wrote: »

To be honest I hate people smoking in my presence, so this particular subject is one I feel strongly about. My points are based upon principal though, where do you draw the line if we are going to start flouting the law?

Why should it be illegal to smoke crack or take marijuana or anything else, its my body, surely I can do what the hell I like and Governments can jog the fcuk on and mind their own business? Why should they tell me when and when I cannot drink alcohol?

The reality is this thing we call society has laws which we employ Gardai to enforce. So if you want to be a criminal and do what you want, then thats your choice and you can face the consequences. The problem I have is with the general trend of this thread where people have made out as if the OP is a sissy, a grass and all other manner of things purely because he questioned the fact the publican was breaking the law and spoiled his enjoyment of the night.

Smoking is either going to be permitted or it is not, and as it stands it is not. So its straight forward, next time I'm in a pub and I see this happening, I will be discreetly recording every single person in the pub, the person dishing out the ashtrays and then I will inquire at the bar as to why people can smoke, then when I get the "Its a lock-in" crap I will engage in a conversation as if I'm in support of this and lure the staff member (hopefully the owner) into talking about why they do it and how they are aware its against the law but that the Gardai turn a blind eye to it. I will then report it to the Gardai anonymously while in the bar without anyone hearing. Then when they fail to respond I will then pass it all on to the press and post videos up on youtube and then we can all witness the law being enforced to the maximum of its capacity and hopefully a lesson will be learned throughout the country. I shall make it my one man mission!!!!

Then I will be on a campaign to ban smoking in public places, and then ban it altogether. Hopefully that will be the next goal of the EU puppet masters.

That's fine if you are going to follow all laws. Then you won't stay for the lock in as that's also illegal. So you won't have anything to report

osarusan

TireeTerror wrote: »

So its straight forward, next time I'm in a pub and I see this happening, I will be discreetly recording every single person in the pub, the person dishing out the ashtrays and then I will inquire at the bar as to why people can smoke, then when I get the "Its a lock-in" crap I will engage in a conversation as if I'm in support of this and lure the staff member (hopefully the owner) into talking about why they do it and how they are aware its against the law but that the Gardai turn a blind eye to it. I will then report it to the Gardai anonymously while in the bar without anyone hearing. Then when they fail to respond I will then pass it all on to the press and post videos up on youtube and then we can all witness the law being enforced to the maximum of its capacity and hopefully a lesson will be learned throughout the country. I shall make it my one man mission!!!!

Then I will be on a campaign to ban smoking in public places, and then ban it altogether. Hopefully that will be the next goal of the EU puppet masters.

Good luck with that, hope it goes well for you.

freshpopcorn

TireeTerror wrote: »

To be honest I hate people smoking in my presence, so this particular subject is one I feel strongly about. My points are based upon principal though, where do you draw the line if we are going to start flouting the law?

Why should it be illegal to smoke crack or take marijuana or anything else, its my body, surely I can do what the hell I like and Governments can jog the fcuk on and mind their own business? Why should they tell me when and when I cannot drink alcohol?

The reality is this thing we call society has laws which we employ Gardai to enforce. So if you want to be a criminal and do what you want, then thats your choice and you can face the consequences. The problem I have is with the general trend of this thread where people have made out as if the OP is a sissy, a grass and all other manner of things purely because he questioned the fact the publican was breaking the law and spoiled his enjoyment of the night.

Smoking is either going to be permitted or it is not, and as it stands it is not. So its straight forward, next time I'm in a pub and I see this happening, I will be discreetly recording every single person in the pub, the person dishing out the ashtrays and then I will inquire at the bar as to why people can smoke, then when I get the "Its a lock-in" crap I will engage in a conversation as if I'm in support of this and lure the staff member (hopefully the owner) into talking about why they do it and how they are aware its against the law but that the Gardai turn a blind eye to it. I will then report it to the Gardai anonymously while in the bar without anyone hearing. Then when they fail to respond I will then pass it all on to the press and post videos up on youtube and then we can all witness the law being enforced to the maximum of its capacity and hopefully a lesson will be learned throughout the country. I shall make it my one man mission!!!!

Then I will be on a campaign to ban smoking in public places, and then ban it altogether. Hopefully that will be the next goal of the EU puppet masters.

For even staying in the lock-in in the first place you should get 20 lashes.

TireeTerror

wally79 wrote: »

That's fine if you are going to follow all laws. Then you won't stay for the lock in as that's also illegal. So you won't have anything to report

Based on the original post, all one has to do is sit enjoying their pint in a smoke-free environment around 1am. I think my Google glasses will prove very useful!!

As for the lock-in being illegal, I would imagine its the purchasing of alcohol that would be illegal, not just being present. I stand to be corrected on that of course, but I am basing that on what I think to be true. What actual law would I be breaking by standing in a bar?

El Weirdo

TireeTerror wrote: »

Based on the original post, all one has to do is sit enjoying their pint in a smoke-free environment around 1am. I think my Google glasses will prove very useful!!

As for the lock-in being illegal, I would imagine its the purchasing of alcohol that would be illegal, not just being present. I stand to be corrected on that of course, but I am basing that on what I think to be true. What actual law would I be breaking by standing in a bar?

No, you have to be off the premises 30 mins after last orders. Drinking or not.

Wibbs

TireeTerror wrote: »

What actual law would I be breaking by standing in a bar?

Well being on the back of that high horse of yours probably contravenes food safety laws as well as lifestock cruelty regulations

TireeTerror

You call it a high horse, I call it obeying the law.

hynesie08

TireeTerror wrote: »

next time I'm in a pub and I see this happening, I will be discreetly recording every single person in the pub, the person dishing out the ashtrays and then I will inquire at the bar as to why people can smoke, then when I get the "Its a lock-in" crap I will engage in a conversation as if I'm in support of this and lure the staff member (hopefully the owner) into talking about why they do it and how they are aware its against the law but that the Gardai turn a blind eye to it. I will then report it to the Gardai anonymously while in the bar without anyone hearing. Then when they fail to respond I will then pass it all on to the press and post videos up on youtube and then we can all witness the law being enforced to the maximum of its capacity and hopefully a lesson will be learned throughout the country. I shall make it my one man mission!!!!

Then I will be on a campaign to ban smoking in public places, and then ban it altogether. Hopefully that will be the next goal of the EU puppet masters.

I'm not as up on the law as you claim to be, but isn't that entrapment and no court or garda would entertain it.

El Weirdo

TireeTerror wrote: »

You call it a high horse, I call it obeying the law.

Except you're not obeying the law if you're on a licensed premises after hours.