Nidgeweasel wrote: » Why is that? I've not looked at the line ups but initially I thought we could get Kildare, Armagh or Meath. All the reports now just said the latter two.
K-9 wrote: » Can't play Kildare now, either Meath or Armagh. We play either the Leinster runners up or who beats them.
Alvin Holler wrote: » Pretty unlikely but I'd like to play Kildare.
Nidgeweasel wrote: » Who do we want in the quarter?
Redsoxfan wrote: » This was the line being peddaled by Adrian Barry on Off the Ball last night - that McGuinness was desparately trying to instill a sense of enthuasiasm for the ocassion into his players. Maybe they didn't look as overjoyed and enthuasiastic as him because they were knackered.
Nidgeweasel wrote: » Were they? Or were they just celebrations? Just think he was celebrating an impressive provincial win, a trophy which already means an awful lot to our county and having come back to answer his critics.
K-9 wrote: » I was reading the Mail yesterday and Liam Hayes was quite complimentary. Always liked Hayes, tells it as it is, probably the first player to tell the truth in his autobiography in the late 80's or so. Bit like the Roy Keane one, openly admitted he targeted players at times because he, and many on that team, had a win at all costs mentality. I was at one of the Meath Cork finals and it was atrocious to watch, yet that Meath team is fondly remembered now. I can't think of the name of former inter county manager that had a snippet on us, basically saying we were as bad as 2011. Lazy analysis, we played a lot of hand passing, possession football but that was dictated largely by Monaghan. There was no point putting long balls into a mass defence as it would be playing into Monaghans hands. One game doesn't make a style of football!
rightyabe wrote: » Is this jims last year in charge..?His celebrations on Sunday on the pitch were of a man frantically savouring the moment..
rightyabe wrote: » Is this jims last year in charge..? His celebrations on Sunday on the pitch were of a man frantically savouring the moment..
Ceist_Beag wrote: » I heard Anthony Moyles talk about how some teams stick a big immobile midfielder in who just sits in the middle of the pitch for kickouts ... like Neil Gallagher for Donegal he cited as an example! Big Neil who covered every blade of grass on Sunday, really Moyles? :rolleyes:
K-9 wrote: » The press will hype it up whatever the result is, but I can definitely feel a hint of bitterness at Donegal this year, I think many didn't expect us to be here at all.
Ceist_Beag wrote: » There's an awful lot of lazy analysis on the media these days by pundits who have to talk for the sake of it sometimes. Yesterday I heard Anthony Moyles talk about how some teams stick a big immobile midfielder in who just sits in the middle of the pitch for kickouts ... like Neil Gallagher for Donegal he cited as an example! Big Neil who covered every blade of grass on Sunday, really Moyles? :rolleyes:
Nidgeweasel wrote: » It's not about enjoying one over an other it's understanding and being objective in assessing the other method. And absolutely if you are incapable of doing so then your appreciation of sport is probably quite juvenile. I'd have been just as happy being in Croke Park watching Dublin tear up the turf on Sunday as I was in Clones watching Donegal on the grind. That's the point. There is a malaise and an ignorance about football which is anything other than this mismash of what the purists deem is acceptable is almost deemed to be an affront to the game. You don't get it at that level in any other sport. Maybe it's an Irish thing. Read some of the garbage that is being thrown about regarding the match on this very forum not least some apparently 'respected' journalists and broadcasters and the only term that can be used is ignorance. It's defensive, it's muck, won't somebody think of the children. I get as much enjoyment from seeing a well marshalled, supremely organised, flying fit defensive unit screening and stopping two of the best forwards in the game, and then counter attacking with pace and speed creating fantastic scores like Donegal did yesterday. It's a pity some of the people lamenting it can't implement something similar in their own county and give their people some success. I imagine the planning and execution that goes into that type of game plan is something above the heads of most but that gets lost too. But again, it's a mishmash, some skwered notion of what should happen and every game must be 15 on 15 and scores a'plenty otherwise it's "Ulster tripe", "Boring Donegal, everyman behind the ball". Its ignorance and a total misunderstanding of the game in question and then generally on the point that there are always, like I said, more than on way to skin a cat in every single sport.
Soccer as an example, Liverpool blew everyone away this year playing fast free flowing exhilarating football and were on the cusp of a first league championship in god knows how long. Mounriho's chelsea rolled into town, parked the bus sat back, defensive, puke football, whatever you want to call it, won the match and probably cost Liverpool a title. Chelsea received nothing but praise for their ability to set out their stall in the manner that they did. Even from admittedly devastated Liverpudlians.
If Donegal beat Dublin this year will they get the same credit? I wouldn't have thought so. RIP Gaelic Football- The attacking team didn't win.
Mackas_view wrote: » Forget the people tryin to talk us down. The game is evolving and we are the reason for its evolution. I didn see the Sunday game yet as I travelled straight to work from the game. I'll be watchin it when I get home at the weekend. By the sounds of it Spillane was being his usual self. He has a short memory if he looks back over the Kerry teams tactics in the Munster final. Using parts of "our" (Jim's) System but keeping to their own "nice" football enough to save face. The games more of a science now as happens with all sports. It's more industrial and tactical. I wasn't a fan at the start but 3 ulsters and an All Ireland in 4 years later and it's actually startin to grow on me. :-P it's more interesting and less of a spectacle. These are good times let's enjoy them forget the rest
harpsman wrote: » 2nd youre quite right that people are entitled to their opinion but given that Spillane paid by the licence payers I think we are entitled to demand better than "theres a tribe in Iraq called the shi' ite muslims well this is shi' ite football". If thats the quality youre after then good man- youre certainly getting value for money:eek:
Nidgeweasel wrote: » It's not about enjoying one over an other it's understanding and being objective in assessing the other method. And absolutely if you are incapable of doing so then your appreciation of sport is probably quite juvenile. I'd have been just as happy being in Croke Park watching Dublin tear up the turf on Sunday as I was in Clones watching Donegal on the grind. That's the point. There is a malaise and an ignorance about football which is anything other than this mismash of what the purists deem is acceptable is almost deemed to be an affront to the game. You don't get it at that level in any other sport. Maybe it's an Irish thing. Read some of the garbage that is being thrown about regarding the match on this very forum not least some apparently 'respected' journalists and broadcasters and the only term that can be used is ignorance. It's defensive, it's muck, won't somebody think of the children. I get as much enjoyment from seeing a well marshalled, supremely organised, flying fit defensive unit screening and stopping two of the best forwards in the game, and then counter attacking with pace and speed creating fantastic scores like Donegal did yesterday. It's a pity some of the people lamenting it can't implement something similar in their own county and give their people some success. I imagine the planning and execution that goes into that type of game plan is something above the heads of most but that gets lost too. But again, it's a mishmash, some skwered notion of what should happen and every game must be 15 on 15 and scores a'plenty otherwise it's "Ulster tripe", "Boring Donegal, everyman behind the ball". Its ignorance and a total misunderstanding of the game in question and then generally on the point that there are always, like I said, more than on way to skin a cat in every single sport. Soccer as an example, Liverpool blew everyone away this year playing fast free flowing exhilarating football and were on the cusp of a first league championship in god knows how long. Mounriho's chelsea rolled into town, parked the bus sat back, defensive, puke football, whatever you want to call it, won the match and probably cost Liverpool a title. Chelsea received nothing but praise for their ability to set out their stall in the manner that they did. Even from admittedly devastated Liverpudlians.If Donegal beat Dublin this year will they get the same credit? I wouldn't have thought so. RIP Gaelic Football- The attacking team didn't win.
Redsoxfan wrote: » On a lighter note, anyone in Donegal Town last night?
Beffs wrote: » So people who enjoy watching attacking, free flowing football more than they do overly defensive football, are fairly juvenile in their appreciation & understanding of not just football, but all of sports in general? Ok then. I suppose I'd better stop watching The Masters & Wimbledon so. Jim McGuinness is perfectly entitled to have his team play in whatever system he choses. Cutting your cloth to suit your measure and all that. However, the people watching it are also perfectly entitled to have an opinion on it. That does not mean they are lacking in intelligence or understanding of anything. There really is no need for such wide sweeping and insulting comments imho.
Beffs wrote: » So people who enjoy watching attacking, free flowing football more than they do overly defensive football, are fairly juvenile in their appreciation & understanding of not just football, but all of sports in general? Ok then. I suppose I'd better stop watching The Masters & Wimbledon then so. Jim McGuinness is perfectly entitled to have his team play in whatever system he choses. Cutting your cloth to suit your measure and all that. However, the people watching it are also perfectly entitled to have an opinion on it. That does not mean they are lacking in intelligence or understanding of anything. There really is no need for such wide sweeping and insulting comments imho.
Redsoxfan wrote: » Fair play to you - at least someone gets it. Most of us have lived through an era where Donegal had good footballers but we never won anything worth a damn and were constantly second best to Armagh and lost regularly in Ulster. There are some in Donegal who would decry the football we play under Jim McGuinness but most people I know are thankful for what he has done for the County team. We can also see what it means to him to be manager - just witness him running onto the pitch to embrace his players after the match yesterday - it was just like the aftermath of the 2011All Ireland Quarter Final. It's not just his cold calculating approach to the game, it's his ethuasiasm and passion that we love. Some of the bile in the Ulster Final match thread was amusing to read. As was a tweet from Redmond Barry that the Irish Times printed today. I don't let it bother me anymore, I just smile and think of the success we've enjoyed in recent years. If others want their counties to play 'nice' football and win SFA, that's fine.
