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What was the worst event in modern Irish history?

John Doe1

There has been quite a few but DeValera signing a book of condolence for Hitler and the treatment of those who fight in WW2 when they returned home has got to be up there.

Also, The Omagh bombing was the most pointless waste of life on this island.

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Ranchu

genuine leather wrote: »

Two treatys that were voted against by the irish electorate,
but both got a yes vote after the threats....sorry,disscussion,sorry jellybeans...eh..f n hell democracy my arse

This is up there for me. Whatever about tragedies inflicted on us by outside forces the circus that surrounded these was proof that there is no real democracy here.

foggy_lad

The bank guarantee and all those responsible for selling Ireland down the river. The founding of the fianna fail party. The ban on corporal punishment in schools. Removal of the height requirements for entry to the Gardai.

N N Nuther 55

the worst event?

Oxegen 2006

too soon?

Sunnyisland

The widespread sexual abuse of young children and the cover up by the church/goverments and other state institutions.

Rogers830

Stardust,any bombings, modern I.R.A, sinn fein. The government, murder of Irish for joining British army the list goes on

thegills

The murder by the British of our great leaders in 1916. What would Ireland be like now if they lived?

padd b1975

The treatment of Bridget McCole and the Hepatitis C scandal.

Nodin

padd b1975 wrote: »

The treatment of Bridget McCole and the Hepatitis C scandal.

That was Irish Government at it's most cynical true. I remember the inquiry coming out, revealing how the decision had been taken to import the blood product against advice and not bothering to determine the all important "why".

padd b1975

Nodin wrote: »

That was Irish Government at it's most cynical true. I remember the inquiry coming out, revealing how the decision had been taken to import the blood product against advice and not bothering to determine the all important "why".

Micheal Noonan is a guy I would generally have some respect for, but his behaviour and attitude towards this woman and her family was nothing short of criminal.

Un Croissant

thegills wrote: »

The murder by the British of our great leaders in 1916. What would Ireland be like now if they lived?

Probably shíte. Wasn't it the executions of these fellas that gained the whole thing support? So if they had lived....

mikemac1

Pamela Izevbekhai and her five legal teams tying up courts for years with endless appeals and leaving behind a bill of hundreds of thousands to be paid by taxpayers

Any sympathy for genuine asylum seekers if any existed or any interest in their process has taken a knock and it may never recover

jank

Controversatial one but the 1916 rising.

EyeSight

Not the IMF bailout, but the bare faced lies by the government that it was not happening, while they were organizing it. Criminal!

Various IRA bombings

Michael Collins being murdered

The patient X case causing the death of a woman

mikemac1

EyeSight wrote: »

Michael Collins being murdered

A soldier shot by another soldier. It's not really murder, it goes with the job

Zamboni

The Brian Lenihan bank guarantee has bankrupted the state for multiple generations.
Easily the worst.
People who do not even exist yet will be paying off the debts of failed banking businesses to unknown bond holders.

4Sticks

jank wrote: »

Controversatial one but the 1916 rising.

Not controversial. Agreed.

comongethappy

Zamboni wrote: »

The Brian Lenihan bank guarantee has bankrupted the state for multiple generations

Your confusing the guarantee with the bailout.

The guarantee was necessary, didnt cost that much & was recouped from the banks anyway.

For me the worst event was when someone... somewhere decided to hand over the fledgling state to the clutches of the RCC.

Zamboni

comongethappy wrote: »

Your confusing the guarantee with the bailout.

The guarantee was necessary, didnt cost that much & was recouped from the banks anyway.

No. No it wasn't.

comongethappy

Zamboni wrote: »

No. No it wasn't.

Deposits were leaving banks at a rate on 1% per week.
A run on deposits was happening & was getting worse.

The government (as did many others) guaranteed the first 100k of deposits....
This guarantee was never called upon & thus never paid out.

The costs were a little over €400 million.... This costs mostly related to re-insuring the guarantees potential liability.

These costs were passed onto the institutions protected by same, there was very little net cost to the state.

..... as per the central bank:

The DGS is administered by the Central Bank of Ireland and is funded by the credit institutions covered by the scheme.

As 'worst events in Irish history' goes, the DGS wouldn't be in the top 1000.

Zamboni

It was Brian Lenihan's bank guarantee that consequently led to recapitalisation and the IMF program.
The OP asked for the worst event. That single event has led to the downfall of the state.
If you think Lenihan had no choice on the guarantee, fair enough.

BuilderPlumber

There's a LOT to choose from.

For Northern Ireland, it definitely is pretty much a lot to choose from out of the 1969 to 1998 (Omagh bombing) period.

For the Republic, it is a choice from:

-Overspill of the former into our territory.
-The disgusting emphasis on unemployment-creating cutbacks as a response to saving corrupt banks and political elites in the 2008 to date period.
-The exaggerated media emphasis on Brian Cowen being 'drunk' back in September 2010 which in effect made up the minds of the Rating agencies to pull the trigger on us and thus allow in the IMF. Cowen was not even drunk by the way! Total and harmful media exaggeration.
-Exaggerated negative media stuff in general: selfserving to every so-called 'economist' wanting to make a quick buck.
-Gangland killings of gardai and Veronica Guerin in 1996.
-Other gangland events.

Honourable mentions goes to these 'lighter' events too that also show us in a poor light:

-The canvas bag representing us in the Eurovision in 2008.
-The current Garth Brooks fiasco.
-Our performance in the 2012 European cup.

Dr Bob

RTE commissioning 'Upwardly Mobile'.

comongethappy

Zamboni wrote: »

It was Brian Lenihan's bank guarantee that consequently led to recapitalisation and the IMF program.
The OP asked for the worst event. That single event has led to the downfall of the state.

The subsequent recapitalisation was not related to the guarantee.... One was not a direct or inevitable consequence of the other.
Many countries had a deposit guarantee scheme without associated recapitalisation schemes.

As also the Anglo bailout & wind-down was a separate process & decision to the DGS.

All 3 were linked but not interdependent.

The IMF loan existed because the state could pay for its day-to-day running..... simple as that.

LostDamo

thegills wrote: »

The murder by the British of our great leaders in 1916. What would Ireland be like now if they lived?

To be fair the murders were a turning point. They (the "great leaders") didn't have much support from people on the street. So i'ld hazard if not murdered they'ld have wasted away in prison & no one would have bat an eyelid

BuilderPlumber

comongethappy wrote: »

The subsequent recapitalisation was not related to the guarantee.... One was not a direct or inevitable consequence of the other.
Many countries had a deposit guarantee scheme without associated recapitalisation schemes.

As also the Anglo bailout & wind-down was a separate process & decision to the DGS.

All 3 were linked but not interdependent.

The IMF loan existed because the state could pay for its day-to-day running..... simple as that.

All that 2008 to date stuff relating to this was and is collectively among the worst events in the history of this state. But also of course one of the worst events in global history and one that goes back much further than 2008. You can trace the world economic collapse back to September 11th 2001 and the costly escapades in Iraq that squandered billions unnecesarily and to the general risk taking emphasis and culture of the 1990s and 2000s where everything from being unemployed and being encouraged to borrow millions to start up a business to going to war were done on a whim by mostly brainless zombie politicians and bankers.

padd b1975

Dr Bob wrote: »

RTE commissioning 'Upwardly Mobile'.

......and casting a 'RA head in one of the leading roles.

Ten of Swords

Irish Free State troops killing republican prisoners during the civil war. In Ballyseedy Co. Kerry 9 men were tied to a landmine which was set off, they were then machine gunned.

anheneti

foggy_lad wrote: »

The bank guarantee and all those responsible for selling Ireland down the river. The founding of the fianna fail party. The ban on corporal punishment in schools. Removal of the height requirements for entry to the Gardai.

How was the ban on corporal punishment a bad thing?

Potatoeman

John Doe1 wrote: »

There has been quite a few but DeValera signing a book of condolence for Hitler and the treatment of those who fight in WW2 when they returned home has got to be up there.

Also, The Omagh bombing was the most pointless waste of life on this island.

I do see the point of not allowing people that served in the British army public service jobs given that independantance was only won a short time before and the potential for spying.

As much as Hitler is hated now he was a national leader at the time and signing a book of condolence does not mean you support that persons ideologies.

Herb Powell

Seasan wrote: »

Joining the EU.

Really?

Joining the EU has benefitted Ireland enourmously. Yes, there are some issues, such as the fishing quotas meaning Spaniards come and steal our fish, but overall I think the effect has been extremely positive.