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Roscommon GAA Discussion Thread

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There seems to be a few Rossies on the forum and even though the seniors are done for this year there's still plenty going on, not least the minors great run and the county championship likely to restart very soon.

So. A thread for it all!

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megadodge

Ros14 wrote: »

Anybody at any of the games at the weekend?

At the Gaels v Kilmore game in Kilmore, which was actually a game of no consequence.
The Gaels won 1-11 to 0-7 without being impressive.
I still believe they are good enough to win the County title, but that doesn't mean they will.
On the Gaels current starting team they have three former All-Ireland minor winners, four players who played in All-Ireland U21 finals, a former inter-county senior, a Connacht minor winner and an All-Ireland Colleges 'B' winner (which some of the others are too). They have two other All-Ireland U21 finalists out injured.
They have an immensely talented team, but might be a bit too young this year, but if they can keep them together and injury-free in the next few years, watch out.

Ros14

Anybody at any of the games at the weekend?

rossie1977

well beaten in the ted webb final today. its incredible to watch the systems currently being employed by 15 and 16 year old lads right now. galway had their system spot on with 13 men back and then brilliantly counter attacking at pace.

unfortunately the same can't be said for our lads at this level. they tried hard but we are starting to fall a good bit behind mayo and galway again at under 16 and 18 level which is worrying for the future.

Ros14

Championship returns this weekend.

Senior:

Group A:
Kilmore vs Castlerea St Kevins - Saturday 9th, 6pm, Abbey Park
Clann na nGael vs Roscommon Gaels - Sunday 10th, 5pm, Ballyforan

Group B:
Boyle vs St Brigids - Saturday 9th, 7.30pm, Abbey Park
Elphin vs Padraig Pearses - Saturday 9th, 7.45pm, Orchard Park

Group C:
St Faithleachs vs Western Gaels - Sunday 10th, 3.30pm, Ballyleague
St Aidans vs Strokestown - Sunday 10th, 6.30pm, Ballyforan

Intermediate:

Group A:
Clann na nGael vs Eire Óg - Saturday 9th, 7.30pm, Johnstown
St Dominics vs St Michaels - Saturday 9th, Knockcroghery

Group B:
St Croans vs St Ronans - Saturday 9th, 6.15pm, Orchard Park
Tulsk vs St Barrys - Sunday 10th, 2pm, Ballyleague

Group C:
Kilglass Gaels vs Fuerty - Sunday 10th, 2pm, Kilglass
Kilbride vs Oran - Sunday 10th, 2pm, Kilbride

Who do we expect to come out on top in these?

Boom__Boom

nice_guy80 wrote: »

Roscommon don't enter the junior anymore
It was deemed a drain on resources

Ah that's just fecking reckless stupidity imo.:mad:

Beyond that I love the fact that junior gives lads who might not be up to the very top standard of intercounty football a chance to represent their county.

I know a lad in Kerry - decent club footballer for years who was fecking overjoyed at lining out for the Kerry juniors. As he said himself he knew he wasnt ever going to get within an asses roar of a Kerry panel but getting to wear the green-and-gold and represent his county was a huge honour.

With the situation with a growing club v county divide, I think the GAA should be doing more to push the junior championship. With no qualifiers it can be run off fairly easily and at least it gives some of the more devoted club players something to do as opposed to twiddle their thumbs when the senior team is in action.

nice_guy80

Boom__Boom wrote: »

If Roscommon want to develop they need to take the league seriously. Posted pretty much the same below in the Cavan thread and it's worth remembering for ye lads as well.

If Roscommon hadn't got promoted for instance and Fermanagh had for some reason - Roscommon football would be in a far bleaker place - facing into the league with games against - Armagh, Louth, Sligo, Wexford, Limerick, Tipperary, Clare as opposed to facing teams of the quality of Kildare, Westmeath, Meath, Down, Laois, Galway, and of course Roscommon. Which of those two scenarios is likely to improve players/bring players on (even if it is "only the league") Basically my point is when you look at the overall level of difference in quality, Roscommon are a far better place than if they were still in Division 3. Look at the teams in Division 2 and what they have done in the Championship over the last few years versus what the teams in Division 3 have, especially in terms of overall progression. At the moment of the 12 teams left in the Championship 5 are from Division 1 & 5 from Division 2. Obviously being in those divisions doesn't guarantee anything, but overall it makes progress more likely.

Also I came across a stat on the Kerry website a few months back that someone posted about the Kerry juniors - Kerry used 29 players in the league this year and 9 of them had played with the Kerry juniors previously. When you look at the number of lads who would have been ineligible because of the clubs they played for in Kerry it's clear that it's a very valuable stepping stone in terms of developing players for the senior panel.

The nine were

Darren O'Sullivan
Anthony Maher
Stephen O’Brien
Shane Enright
Brian Maguire
Conor Cox
Jack Sherwood
Pa Kilkenny
Alan Fitzgerald

Some of them names might not be too familiar to those outside the county but 7 of them have already played Championship for Kerry and I wouldn't bet against the other 2 getting a chance at some stage.

Counties who don't take the junior seriously are definitely missing a trick imo.
What sort of approach is taken to the juniors in Roscommon? Is it being used as well as it could be to bring players on or is it more of a half-hearted approach being taken?
Obviously it's not going to magically start turning out huge volumes of players but as a method for bringing on lads - especially in terms of giving lads from smaller clubs access to experience with top-class coaching & fitness and giving them games against other decent players it can be very valuable.

Roscommon don't enter the junior anymore
It was deemed a drain on resources

Boom__Boom

If Roscommon want to develop they need to take the league seriously. Posted pretty much the same below in the Cavan thread and it's worth remembering for ye lads as well.

If Roscommon hadn't got promoted for instance and Fermanagh had for some reason - Roscommon football would be in a far bleaker place - facing into the league with games against - Armagh, Louth, Sligo, Wexford, Limerick, Tipperary, Clare as opposed to facing teams of the quality of Kildare, Westmeath, Meath, Down, Laois, Galway, and of course Roscommon. Which of those two scenarios is likely to improve players/bring players on (even if it is "only the league") Basically my point is when you look at the overall level of difference in quality, Roscommon are a far better place than if they were still in Division 3. Look at the teams in Division 2 and what they have done in the Championship over the last few years versus what the teams in Division 3 have, especially in terms of overall progression. At the moment of the 12 teams left in the Championship 5 are from Division 1 & 5 from Division 2. Obviously being in those divisions doesn't guarantee anything, but overall it makes progress more likely.

Also I came across a stat on the Kerry website a few months back that someone posted about the Kerry juniors - Kerry used 29 players in the league this year and 9 of them had played with the Kerry juniors previously. When you look at the number of lads who would have been ineligible because of the clubs they played for in Kerry it's clear that it's a very valuable stepping stone in terms of developing players for the senior panel.

The nine were

Darren O'Sullivan
Anthony Maher
Stephen O’Brien
Shane Enright
Brian Maguire
Conor Cox
Jack Sherwood
Pa Kilkenny
Alan Fitzgerald

Some of them names might not be too familiar to those outside the county but 7 of them have already played Championship for Kerry and I wouldn't bet against the other 2 getting a chance at some stage.

Counties who don't take the junior seriously are definitely missing a trick imo.
What sort of approach is taken to the juniors in Roscommon? Is it being used as well as it could be to bring players on or is it more of a half-hearted approach being taken?
Obviously it's not going to magically start turning out huge volumes of players but as a method for bringing on lads - especially in terms of giving lads from smaller clubs access to experience with top-class coaching & fitness and giving them games against other decent players it can be very valuable.

nice_guy80

Not much Senan can do if the ball isn't delivered accurately into him and then he needs support runners.

While I understand the need to tighten up at the back, we have the forwards and midfield to beat a lot of teams and we should put faith in the ability of out backs to keep the score down.
We should play to our strengths - all good teams do. Once you implement tactics to negate the opposition you've already half lost the battle. Let them worry about you.

Always_Running

padd b1975 wrote: »

You could have hardly classed Jim Gavin/James Horan/Jim MGuinness as aseasoned managers when they took over, yet have had fantastic success.

Roscommon supporters really need to come around to the idea that their players may not be as good as they think they are.

The whole camp went into Saturday's game top heavy with negativity and a vibe of damage limitation.

Even though Armagh were relegated from Division 2, there was in marked difference in quality, particularly in the forwards.

In fairness the best wasn't brought out in Roscommon forwards. Cregg,kilbride who are two experience players that should be leading from the front were seen more in defence in Kilbrides case he wasn't giving the required work rate. The other forwards are young lads learning the ropes they were up against some top experienced defenders in mckeever,mallon and a real wall of defence that even Tyrone the week before couldn't break down. Murtagh for example was fed on scraps yet still managed to score the same as Tony kernan who had more room to play.

padd b1975

Strongbow10 wrote: »

The county board needs to broaden its horizons and look for a seasoned manager with tactical nous.
Shown up at both under 21 and senior level when it mattered, with a glaring lack of ability to make changes on the fly when things are not going to plan.
I'm
Fergie O'Donnell had the same problem when managing the senior team. Roscommon have huge potential but lack a disciplined coach who offers a bit of variation in his tactics. The players are there to be competitive if given the environment to progress.

You could have hardly classed Jim Gavin/James Horan/Jim MGuinness as aseasoned managers when they took over, yet have had fantastic success.

Roscommon supporters really need to come around to the idea that their players may not be as good as they think they are.

The whole camp went into Saturday's game top heavy with negativity and a vibe of damage limitation.

Even though Armagh were relegated from Division 2, there was in marked difference in quality, particularly in the forwards.

Johnny_BravoIII

Always_Running wrote: »

Was hardly super defensively when Armagh forwards had so much time on the ball to pick a pass or score. Clarke,kernan were so loosely marked and the runners weren't tracked. I'm surprised Senan Kilbride lasted as long as he did, he looked disinterested

I saying the system was super defensive.the problem being we had no options once in possession going forward.

Senan was decent in the second half when played inside near goal.his movement gave guys options in the second half.he had maybe 5 quick possessions and attemted to do something positive each time.

To honest I haven't seen them live this year. I was shocked how bad they were tactically going forward in the first half.

davegrohl48

nice_guy80 wrote: »

where do these seasoned managers come from?

we're much better off developing managers from within the county as counties that do that have a much higher rate of success than the outside manager - Tyrone, Armagh, Meath, Dublin, Kerry to name a few.
the only way to do that is to blood the managers from U16 up, get lots of training and experience into the management teams (yes, managers can be trained - coaching skills, management skills, tactical skills).

Good point about training managers. They should have indepth knowledge of:
- Fitness
- Player development n assessment
- Stats usage in game and in season
- Tactical formations
- Game scenarios

nice_guy80

Strongbow10 wrote: »

The county board needs to broaden its horizons and look for a seasoned manager with tactical nous.
Shown up at both under 21 and senior level when it mattered, with a glaring lack of ability to make changes on the fly when things are not going to plan.

Fergie O'Donnell had the same problem when managing the senior team. Roscommon have huge potential but lack a disciplined coach who offers a bit of variation in his tactics. The players are there to be competitive if given the environment to progress.

where do these seasoned managers come from?

we're much better off developing managers from within the county as counties that do that have a much higher rate of success than the outside manager - Tyrone, Armagh, Meath, Dublin, Kerry to name a few.
the only way to do that is to blood the managers from U16 up, get lots of training and experience into the management teams (yes, managers can be trained - coaching skills, management skills, tactical skills).

Strongbow10

The county board needs to broaden its horizons and look for a seasoned manager with tactical nous.
Shown up at both under 21 and senior level when it mattered, with a glaring lack of ability to make changes on the fly when things are not going to plan.

Fergie O'Donnell had the same problem when managing the senior team. Roscommon have huge potential but lack a disciplined coach who offers a bit of variation in his tactics. The players are there to be competitive if given the environment to progress.

davegrohl48

Roscommon next year should plan the season around staying in Division 2. That means lifting heavy in the gym before league commences n then treating league games prep wise/tactically like championship games. Basically be as fresh n fit as possible for the league. Getting 2 years of at least Div 2 football would be massive progress. Mgmt/players would improve in the ability to compete with the top 10.

Comic Book Guy

Very disappointing way to exit the championship. A lot of progress has been made this year but still a long road to go.
As previous posters pointed out the lack of a plan b or even a small adaption of tactics to what was going on on the field of play was disappointing.
For periods of play both sides adopted similar tactics of falling back behind the 45 on mass but where we appeared clueless continually laterally passing with very few attempts to break the tackle, Armagh were consistently able to break the first line of defence and with ease at times with a simple enough drop of the shoulder.
The Armagh inside forwards were consistently able to control the ball first time in comparison to our attempts but in fairness this had a lot to do with the quality of that final pass.
A long time until the first fbd game but hopefully the upward curve will continue and we see the benefits of division 2 football next year.

Always_Running

Was hardly super defensively when Armagh forwards had so much time on the ball to pick a pass or score. Clarke,kernan were so loosely marked and the runners weren't tracked. I'm surprised Senan Kilbride lasted as long as he did, he looked disinterested. Who is the Armstrong you speak of?

Johnny_BravoIII

The first half tactics lost this game.
We played a 2 man full forward inside line and the other 13 players hardly crossed the half way line. Forward play consisted of running ball from our own half. Typically down blind alleys. The 4 first half points were from drawin frees doing so.

We played with extra man back and super defensively. This meant when a player found himself in posession on the half-way line there was nothing on. There was no half-forward line!!

In the second half the Rossies played 2-3 extra men higher up the pitch.
When possession was won there was options and hence we starting scoring points. Without a goal it was almost impossible to get a 4 point lead back from a team like Armagh, especially with Jamie Clarke on fire and taking his scores at will. In effort to push forward for a goal we were constantly caught short-handed at the back. Eventually the goal came for Armagh and it was game-over.

IMO it was management first half tactics that lost this game.

Also, how did Stack not start?

Ian Kilbride looked leggy to me.
mcDermott, Senan, Cathal Shine all had fine games.

padd b1975

Real whiff of division 3 standard off that Roscommon performance.

Poor and slow decision making both on the field and off it.

You reap what you sow when you go a half of championship football without scoring from play ...at home FFS!!!

rossie1977

blowitupref wrote: »

The organisation and workrate Roscommon displayed against Mayo was missing tonight. Armagh played their normal game and won easier than they expected. Much to ponder for Roscommon over the next few months they have midfielders and forwards to progress but how far will depend on sticking to the right system and find a consistency in defence.

we never laid a hand on the armagh forwards all night truth be told. it was hard to believe that was the same team that played against mayo actually. first half display was the worst this year from us.

one of two will have to take a good hard look at themselves and question whether they are fully committed to the county team at this stage and i am looking at kilbride and cathal cregg in particular. all the potential in the world but for me have never done enough at this level to be automatic names on the teamsheet.

Always_Running

Very flat display from Roscommon didn't give it their best shot. Armagh improving with each game I would fancy them to reach the quarter final at least and will stroll out of div 3 next year while Roscommon will have to be careful they don't fall down to that level again.

blowitupref

The organisation and workrate Roscommon displayed against Mayo was missing tonight. Armagh played their normal game and won easier than they expected. Much to ponder for Roscommon over the next few months they have midfielders and forwards to progress but how far will depend on sticking to the right system and find a consistency in defence.

therambler

Massive setback today.. I'd say management were slow to react but they didn't react at all.. What is it with Roscommon and managers that can't adapt mid-game? There was no plan B whatsoever, you could see long before half time that they were walking through our midfield and that we played on a U-8 sized pitch.. We're not going to beat the big teams if we don't change tactics and fast! Not taking away from Armagh, they were better drilled, better prepared and wanted it more.. Disappointing championship again..

RoscommonTom

Its disapointing but if I was offered this season at the start of the year with the promotion and running the mayos close id have been delighted, at least were going in the right direction

beggars_bush

Armagh are a big physical team. They like to hit early and often. Their tackling was far superior. Stopped every attempt to take a quick free.
We played into their hands with too many hand passes around midfield and no early ball into the forwards from play or frees.
Took off Senan just as he was winning the ball.
Better drilled team won

Dublin Red Devil

Armagh looked solid in defense and the better team, more comfortable on the ball, more class on offense

Dublin Red Devil

kingshankly wrote: »

Totally leaderless haven't a clue what to do with it a man breaking forward and not one player in support

Who is the leader on this team. It's supposed to be Kilbride but he regularly goes missing for long periods of most games

corny

Game won on drawing board me thinks. Armagh direct when in possession while Roscommon are slow and ponderous. If they were quicker and more accurate in passing the ball they'd have the beatings of Armagh. The hand passing sideways is hard to watch.

Boom__Boom

Roscommon lucky Armagh haven't a clue what a legit tackle is. Pretty much every Armagh tackle is on the player as opposed to on the ball.

Armagh winning the tactical battle far too easily, not helped by some awful decisions & execution on pitch by players.

kingshankly

Hulk Hands wrote: »

They'll singlehandedly cost the GAA the Sky deal at this rate. 6 lads playing pass the parcel along the 45, deciding which of them wants to kick it wide

Totally leaderless haven't a clue what to do with it a man breaking forward and not one player in support