Spook_ie wrote: » Never mind Ron, I'm sure you'll do better in front of an open goal next World Cup semi
ezra_pound wrote: » Get with the programme or get left behind in a jam.
Spook_ie wrote: » Customs and Excise, GS or revenue, whichever one would deal with unlicensed vehicles, penalty dunno, maybe 10x what you owe or scapping of the bike, told you that the detail would be worked out by some junior lackey probably in enviroment dept.
Red Nissan wrote: » Or build your own town and ban cyclists entirely.
twowheelsgood wrote: » The difficulty is that some drivers will attempt to pass when it is patently not safe to do. (Only a lunatic would go over the other side of a road to over-take at a corner but for some reason, doing do and having a bit of your car across the central line is only a venial sin!). Unless there is a hard shoulder or a cycle lane or some scenario where it is possible for a car to overtake without moving out then there is no material difference (should not be!) between been a foot rather than 2-3 foot from the road edge, but a cyclist is far safer in the case of the latter. And contrary to what some motorist might think, I do not like have a car right behind me. I will do everything I can (short of taking a header in to a field!) to see them go safely past ASAP.
ezra_pound wrote: » Super... Have fun in car town! Where's this homeland going to be? Antarctica? Kamchatka? The Gaza strip?
diomed wrote: » The RSA statistics show 1,025,514 penalty points given to 617,928 drivers in January 2014. If you can post here the number of cycling offences and number of cyclists for that month (or any period) then we can compare.
ardmacha wrote: » Fair point. Let me rephrase, Cyclists are a profoundly delinquent class of road user, who are subject to no effective law enforcement whatsoever. The loutish behaviour is bad enough, but this is an accompanied by a sickening sanctimonious sense of entitlement that would put the 1950s Catholic church in the ha'penny place. Some even use the lack of enforcement and consequent lack of applied penalties as a justification, thereby exalting in the present chaos.
looking_around wrote: » This, so much this. It always shocks me when drivers overtake me on bends! A foot into the other lane and some how it's "ok" because they're just overtaking a bike :rolleyes: They are meant to overtake similar to overtaking a slow moving vehicle, but most just fly past without considering how much space the cyclists needs. The amount of times cars are so close that if you skidded slightly, you'd crash into them likely causing serious injury to yourself.
looking_around wrote: » The amount of times cars are so close that if you skidded slightly, you'd crash into them likely causing serious injury to yourself.
Tenzor07 wrote: » You don't even have to skid... As happened to this poor soul...
Red Nissan wrote: » THAT is NOT an accident. The driver seems to have attacked the cyclist, that's a crime.
Red Nissan wrote: » Close and fast is how I take them out myself. Minimise the danger is my philosophy.
Motorists and Cyclists should never be on the same road, it's madness, always was, having hit about five cars in my own cycling career, I now drive a massive jeep and *touch wood* we've never met.
Tenzor07 wrote: » What the motivation was for this truck driver to do this is beyond me... maybe as the result of people thinking bicyclists should not be on the road with cars, or because they don't "Pay road tax??"
looking_around wrote: » You wouldn't over take a car like that,.
Red Nissan wrote: » Yes, and we don't want those issues to fester and see Irish motorists taking out cyclists for any motivation. These problems are real. The last thing you want to do is set up a war zone.
Red Nissan wrote: » Yes, I would. The optimal words here is mimimise exposure to danger. IE, the slower and longer you take to take out a a moving an unpredictable obstruction, the more likely you will have a negative impact on it. I do down gear and speed past cars, it also gives me the most momentum so I've a more survivable chance in the event that the other cars does a Crazy Ivan.
Tenzor07 wrote: » Attempted vehicular murder is what I'd call it... What the motivation was for this truck driver to do this is beyond me... maybe as the result of people thinking bicyclists should not be on the road with cars, or because they don't "Pay road tax??"
UCDVet wrote: » The driver is clearly at fault - but I wouldn't be so quick to judge his or her motivation. If there is evidence that the driver *intentionally* hit the cyclist, then sure. But it's *at least possible* that it was an accident. People accidentally drift out of their lane and accidentally hit things all the time. People drive into the back end of stopped cars too, despite them being right in front of them.
LexieOnRale wrote: » Nearly clipped one of these pricks today, was in the inside lane going around a roundabout and there was a car in the lane next to me. This fool with no helmet weaved in and out between cars and cut in front of me just as I was getting off the roundabout. Cyclists seem oblivious to the fact a smack off a massive metal thing moving will actually hurt.
ardmacha wrote: » Cyclists are a profoundly delinquent class of road user. The loutish behaviour is bad enough, but this is an accompanied by a sickening sanctimonious sense of entitlement that would put the 1950s Catholic church in the ha'penny place. This can be seen from the numerous apologists on this thread "We are saving the planet, how dare you propose we follow laws/ have training/ have ID on our vehicles", laws are not for important people like us".
looking_around wrote: » Don't defend reckless driving to minimise 'danger'. It's still reckless and by definition, dangerous.
Red Nissan wrote: » .. well you can message either me or breakmydreams, if you'd like post something here ".anonymously. Some people also create an account just for the groups we want to be more private. I've got into a few scrapes because I was going too fast for my load and I owe my like to the professional conduct of other professional drivers, my biggest scare was taking a Transit van, over loaded around a bend before Buttevant from Cork and against me was a woman who actually took her hands off the wheel and covered her face. I had to do all the work and there is only so much physics one can control, but I did. If I had met a bus, an artic, a cattle truck, a beet truck or any other professional vehicle they would have known what to do to assist me in my error. Loads shift, grit, grease, oil, sand dust can all change the road in an instant and turn your vehicle into a missile, I face that too, road works, going into Dungarvan, an eight wheel tipper truck and I ~ then unaccustomed to either my vehicle or the route became a bomb and lost brakes, the truck blocked the road, my solution was headlights, horn and aim at the silly worker who had his hand in the air to stop me. We all are learning all the time, we never stop.
looking_around wrote: » Most cyclist are not oblivious to do that. I'd wonder if there was a reason he felt the need to weave? I often get off the bike and cross via foot path when comes to round abouts myself. (because I once had some idiot overtake me on a roundabout, then slam the breaks right in front of me. Literally right infront of me. Driver on the left lane was as shocked as I. And luckily had been further back, as I ended up swerving out to the left.)You do know though, there are easily more drivers who don't know how to use a roundabout correctly than cyclists? I'm sure you can think of many incidents where there's an idiot driver, not indicating/being on the wrong lane etc.
Jawgap wrote: » As evidenced by a recent posting in the Dashcam Saves Your Ass thread......the poster was convinced he, not the overtaking driver was in the right....... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMnFxmC4p1o
looking_around wrote: » I think you see where you went wrong in that first situation, yes? __ If there's road works, you slow down. If the road is dangerous due to dirt/silage whatever, you slow down. Theres really not a debate there.
