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Those damn cyclists again!

Irishcrx

I'll probably get bashed by the fitness fanatics on here , but I have a serious pain my ass with cyclist entitlement when I'm driving to work in the morning. Twice in the last week I've been forced to swerve into an outer lane and nearly collide with another car because someone was cycling to far on the inside on the road , they ask all motorists to be aware of cyclists and that's fine, but cyclists also need to be aware of motorists and the danger they are causing in busy morning periods.

It's also grinds my gears that they slow down my trip into work by 5-10 minutes everyday by taking up the lanes , slowing down traffic , slowing down crossing lanes and they have free use of the roads while the rest of us have to pay for them.

Surely with the ammount of cyclists now they should be paying something to use the public roads even a flat fee of €30 a year or something. Don't even get me started on breaking red lights or cycling out in front of cars , I know there's laws taking action against this now but from what I see it hasn't really stopped it.

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cournioni

Jawgap wrote: »

If drivers have such issues, and they feel cyclists are somehow a privileged class, why not get a back and join the party?

Possibly because a 36 kilometre cycle to work would be a little out of my range?

magicmonkeys

cournioni wrote: »

Possibly because a 36 kilometre cycle to work would be a little out of my range?

Check out the cycling forum, a huge number of people make 36km cycles to work and longer...

cournioni

RobbieTheRobber wrote: »

So all the people i see using phones whilst driving dont get away with?
All the drivers stopped in yellow boxes dont get away with it?
All the bus lane users in private vehicles dont get away with?
Al the double yellow line parkers get caught as well?

You really cannot be serious when you say motorists do not get away with breaking the rules.

They shouldn't get away with it I agree, and they get equal criticism from me.

But then I haven't had two cars hit my missus (one on a footpath and one going through a red light) and one injure my grandmother resulting in a hip replacement (on a footpath).

Jawgap

cournioni wrote: »

Possibly because a 36 kilometre cycle to work would be a little out of my range?

really?

I'm an early (very early) middle-aged guy - living up near Drogheda with a 50km spin into the city centre (100km round trip)- it's perfectly doable if you want to.

Unless you're severely overweight - a couple of weeks building up to it and it would be no problem.

You don't have to do it every day - but the only thing stopping you......is you.

dub_skav

cournioni wrote: »

Here's some stats for you on cyclists:
http://www.independent.ie/life/motoring/dont-shoot-messenger-rules-of-road-for-everyone-26826612.html

Unfortunately that doesn't include cyclists using their phone while cycling. Saw one texting a couple of weeks ago myself.

Funnily enough, that paints a pretty good picture of cyclists. Only 19% break red lights, significantly less than those on here would have you believe.

Also, the younger the cyclist the more likely they are to break the rules. You could read that as school kids cycling on the path making up a part of the numbers and I don't think many would see them as a "menace", maybe some would though

As has been pointed out ad infinitum, you remember the bad apples - be they motorists or cyclists - because they stand out in your mind, the majority are behaving themselves and just trying to get on with their day.

CramCycle

cournioni wrote: »

Maybe they would if they could get away with it, but they don't. Cyclists generally do get away with it though. This is the issue a lot of motorists will have.

Rubbish, motorists can, do and will get away with it, I have seen motorists stopping on amber getting lambasted by those behind them for stopping which to me indicates they were annoyed they were not given the opportunity to break the law as the would have. I have had cars and vans over the years beep me for stopping on red, two have even attempted to nudge me and one buckled my wheel when he hit me because he thought I wouldn't stop. I suppose my anecdoetal evidence (lol anecdotes being called evidence) is not as good as others though. I have seen motorists run ambers in front of squad cars in donnybrook and not get pulled over, I have rang tallaght garda station to report dangerous driving and a broken light to which I was informed they knew as they were looking at the camera on the light but they weren't doing anything about it as that was the councils problem (FFS!?!). I once reported a bus driver who admitted on camera to trying to hit me to teach me a lesson, the only thing that the Garda seemed to notice was that I was speeding (her words) although all I had been doing was going about 40kmph, the bus on the other hand pulled in after "teaching" me a lesson and proceeded to drive so slowly that I never seen him again after i overtook him at the next bus stop.

magicbastarder

actually, speaking with my cyclist, motorist, *and* pedestrian hats on, the thing i see (some!) cyclists doing which really boils my piss is people who lock their bikes to bus stops. bus drivers should be provided with angle grinders to release these bikes into the wild.

cournioni

Jawgap wrote: »

really?

I'm an early (very early) middle-aged guy - living up near Drogheda with a 50km spin into the city centre (100km round trip)- it's perfectly doable if you want to.

Unless you're severely overweight - a couple of weeks building up to it and it would be no problem.

You don't have to do it every day - but the only thing stopping you......is you.

Possibly so, I am reasonably fit, have played football at an intercounty level and still play at the highest level with my club. It's probably more to do with the time it would take to do it (10 hour day at work, then football, then college).

cournioni

CramCycle wrote: »

Rubbish, motorists can, do and will get away with it, I have seen motorists stopping on amber getting lambasted by those behind them for stopping which to me indicates they were annoyed they were not given the opportunity to break the law as the would have. I have had cars and vans over the years beep me for stopping on red, two have even attempted to nudge me and one buckled my wheel when he hit me because he thought I wouldn't stop. I suppose my anecdoetal evidence (lol anecdotes being called evidence) is not as good as others though. I have seen motorists run ambers in front of squad cars in donnybrook and not get pulled over, I have rang tallaght garda station to report dangerous driving and a broken light to which I was informed they knew as they were looking at the camera on the light but they weren't doing anything about it as that was the councils problem (FFS!?!). I once reported a bus driver who admitted on camera to trying to hit me to teach me a lesson, the only thing that the Garda seemed to notice was that I was speeding (her words) although all I had been doing was going about 40kmph, the bus on the other hand pulled in after "teaching" me a lesson and proceeded to drive so slowly that I never seen him again after i overtook him at the next bus stop.

Agreed, but you must agree that they are more likely to be caught and prosecuted than cyclists are when they break the law.

How many motorists get away with driving on footpaths and driving the wrong way down one way streets?

[Deleted User]

cournioni wrote: »

How many motorists get away with driving on footpaths and driving the wrong way down one way streets?

How many cyclists park on double yellow lines or stop in yellow boxes obstructing traffic?

I can ask stupid targeted questions too!

magicbastarder

i often see motorists parking on footpaths with nary a sign of any penalty.

dub_skav

cournioni wrote: »

How many motorists get away with driving on footpaths and driving the wrong way down one way streets?

How many cyclists get away with cycling on the middle lane on a motorway? About as relevant

ThisRegard

Spook_ie wrote: »

Y'see, there you go again, like most cyclists in threads you autobrand anyone with a different PoV as a cyclist hater,

In fairness, as a taxi driver a massive proportion of your posts seem to be in these types of thread.

Tenzor07

Spook_ie wrote: »

pay taxation

taxation,

taxation

registration scheme based

tax paying

No, No, No, No and No....

Anymore questions?

cournioni

RobbieTheRobber wrote: »

How many cyclists park on double yellow lines or stop in yellow boxes obstructing traffic?

I can ask stupid targeted questions too!

Because parking on double yellow lines and in yellow boxes are equally as dangerous as cycling on footpaths and the wrong way down one way streets.

Tenzor07

cournioni wrote: »

Because parking on double yellow lines and in yellow boxes are equally as dangerous as cycling on footpaths and the wrong way down one way streets.

Obstructing views for road users, blocking passage for wheelchair and pram users etc, restricting space for trucks/bus's to get past a vehicle parked on double yellows..
Stopped in Yellow boxes when the Luas is coming...

So yes!

cournioni

dub_skav wrote: »

How many cyclists get away with cycling on the middle lane on a motorway? About as relevant

Nope.

[Deleted User]

cournioni wrote: »

Because parking on double yellow lines and in yellow boxes are equally as dangerous as cycling on footpaths and the wrong way down one way streets.

Without studying each incident of rule breaking I couldn't make a judgment on the relative danger.

blacklilly

Jawgap wrote: »

'Lucky' for them a trained judge / barrister was on the scene, saw the totality of the event and was able to apportion responsibility so quickly :rolleyes:

I was a witness to the accident and was called upon to give evidence, so I am very aware of the outcome of the case.

[Deleted User]

cournioni wrote: »

Nope.

So what your saying is that despite motor vehicles being involved in and the cause of more serious accidents than other road users, it is in fact cyclists who pose the greatest danger to our society?

Pinch Flat

ThisRegard wrote: »

In fairness, as a taxi driver a massive proportion of your posts seem to be in these types of thread.

And a taxi only pays €82 motor tax. Whys this? Surely they pollute the same as any other car. Why are they different?

sarkozy

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Obstructing views for road users, blocking passage for wheelchair and pram users etc, restricting space for trucks/bus's to get past a vehicle parked on double yellows..
Stopped in Yellow boxes when the Luas is coming...

So yes!

The amount of time I've had to put my infant potentially in harm's way at crossings due to to ignorant drivers is beyond belief. 99% of the time, their stock response is to pretend I'm not there. Some arrogant cocks actually make faces as if to say, 'I don't have to give a f**k'. It is just beyond belief that drivers would so arrogantly put our most vulnerable people in harm's way like that. Just filthy, disgusting behaviour, really.

It does warm my heart, though, when I confront drivers for making mistakes, they recognise me, my point of view, the fact that I have a child, they accept responsibility graciously and move back or forward, apologising in the process. They're the good people. If there was a bit more goodness coming from drivers, vulnerable commuters wouldn't have to feel so scared and stressed and defensive.

diomed

Car drivers, van drivers, and HGV drivers drive the vehicles that kill.
Read this report http://www.rsa.ie/Documents/Road%20Safety/Crash%20Stats/Provisional%20Review%20of%20Road%20Crash%202013.pdf

A few motorcyclists dies in single vehicle accidents, but most involved cars turning right.
31 pedestrians died, and the reasons are given, but "crossing the road" as a reason for death does not say what did the killing.

I would like the RSA to summarise the vehicles that did the killing.

Rule breaking by car drivers is imo more serious than rule breaking by cyclists. I drive a car and cycle.

ThisRegard

Pinch Flat wrote: »

And a taxi only pays €82 motor tax. Whys this? Surely they pollute the same as any other car. Why are they different?

I would argue they pollute more as they're driving around a lot more making our wildlife and children ill with their pollutants.

sarkozy

diomed wrote: »

Car drivers, van drivers, and HGV drivers drive the vehicles that kill.
Read this report http://www.rsa.ie/Documents/Road%20Safety/Crash%20Stats/Provisional%20Review%20of%20Road%20Crash%202013.pdf

A few motorcyclists dies in single vehicle accidents, but most involved cars turning right.
31 pedestrians died, and the reasons are given, but "crossing the road" as a reason for death does not say what did the killing.

I would like the RSA to summarise the vehicles that did the killing.

Rule breaking by car drivers is imo more serious than rule breaking by cyclists. I drive a car and cycle.

Fully agree. And to add to that: it's a simple matter of physics and nothing will change that. We all have a responsibility to each other, but that responsibility does not fall on everyone equally for this simple reason.

Jawgap

blacklilly wrote: »

I was a witness to the accident and was called upon to give evidence, so I am very aware of the outcome ofn the case.

I wasn't asking you to betray a confidence - but to post a link to publicly accessible information.....

......and again, if the cyclist was, as you stated...100% at fault....

blacklilly wrote: »

Also I must add, I was witness to an horrific accident a few years ago which resulted in a cyclist being severly brain damaged and paralysed. I witnessed the whole thing and was at the scene with this cyclists trying to help before emergency services arrived.
This cyclists was wearing every possible protection possible yet they did something stupid that resulted in the accident, it was 100% the cyclists fault.

Every road user must take responsibility and unfortuantely we can only count on ourselves to be safe because there will always be people who take silly chances.

why was there even a court case

Did they prosecute the cyclist?

Pinch Flat

ThisRegard wrote: »

I would argue they pollute more as they're driving around a lot more making our wildlife and children ill with their pollutants.

And a lot of taxis are used for private use as well.

SeanW

diomed wrote: »

Car drivers, van drivers, and HGV drivers drive the vehicles that kill. Usually when the driver or another road user breaks or disregards road law.

FYP.

Jawgap

cournioni wrote: »

Possibly so, I am reasonably fit, have played football at an intercounty level and still play at the highest level with my club. It's probably more to do with the time it would take to do it (10 hour day at work, then football, then college).

Well as I said everyone has an excuse.....

....and while my playing days are behind me I still coach and ref rugby (obviously not at the moment, but pre-season kicks off in two weeks), work a full day and am part way through a PhD.

....as I said, perfectly doable with a bit of willpower and imagination.

Good luck with the football and the college.

ThisRegard

Pinch Flat wrote: »

And a lot of taxis are used for private use as well.

And even use the bus lanes when they don't have a fare or are on the way to collect one. They're a disgrace Joe.