CiniO wrote: » True. Not true. Large PSV tax rates are actually pretty low (154 for up to 20 seater, 403 for 41 seater and bigger) But to be able to avail of them, you would need to have a licence for passenger transport. If you buy a bus as private individual or company which doesn't have licence for passenger transport, then only option of taxing the bus is on engine size rates (same as private tax). <snipped> Private individual can buy a bus for himself the same was as he can buy a car or motorbike. No need to register as sole trader or company.
MAXFANTANA wrote: » Just looked up the price of taxi plate. It's €6300 which is mad but a wheelchair accessible taxi is only €125 plus a €45 initial inspection fee. Surely every taxi driver would just get a wheelchair accessible taxi then. Or am I reading it wrong? I know you'd need signage then though. Would a hackney be allowed to drive in the bus lanes when on the way to a job?
Spook_ie wrote: » But I would contend that it would no longer be a " Bus " and therefore not allowed to use the bus lane, one would assume that the tax category would be changed to show private and ( I assume ) that an ANPR or manual number check would highlight it as not being a bus
Noccy_Mondy wrote: » Afaik tax on the likes of a transit is fairly cheap,
not sure on the insurance, but you will need your D1 licence, which is expensive to get, with the mandatory lessons and what not.
CiniO wrote: » Assuming 2.5 diesel in transit, taxed privately, it's around 1000 euro per year. Not that cheap really.
There's no mandatory lessons for D1 licence.
CiniO wrote: » You wouldn't get rumbled. Bus lanes are to be used by buses designed to carry more then 8 passengers. If you have one, you can use bus lanes, even if it's only for private use. No need for any psv stickers, taxi plate or livery down the sides.
Bus Lanes 32. (1)(a) A bus lane shall be indicated by means of traffic sign number RUS 028 or traffic sign number RUS 029 used in association with traffic sign number RRM 024. (b) A contra-flow bus lane shall be indicated by means of traffic sign number RUS 030 used in association with traffic sign number RRM 024.(2) A person shall not enter a bus lane with a vehicle other than a large public service vehicle or a pedal cycle during the period of operation of the bus lane indicated on an information plate.(3) A person shall not enter a contra-flow bus lane with a vehicle other than a large public service vehicle or a pedal cycle. (4) A person shall not enter a bus-only street with a vehicle other than a large public service vehicle or a pedal cycle except for the purpose of access. (5)(a) Sub-articles (2) and (3) do not apply to a vehicle crossing a with-flow bus lane or a contra-flow bus lane solely for the purpose— (i) of entering or leaving premises or property adjacent to such a bus lane, or (ii) of entering or leaving a road inset adjacent to such a bus lane in order to load or unload goods. (b) Sub-article (2) does not apply to— (i) a taxi or a wheelchair accessible taxi which is being used in the course of business, or (ii) a vehicle authorised and identified in accordance with sub-article (6), being driven by a driver authorised under that sub-article, in which is being carried, a member of the Government, a Minister of State who regularly attends meetings of the Government, the Attorney General or the Ceann Comhairle, in the course of his or her duties as such.
“public service vehicle” means a mechanically propelled vehicle used for the carriage of persons for reward; “large public service vehicle” means a public service vehicle having seating passenger accommodation for more than eight persons exclusive of the driver;
slimjimmc wrote: » Surely that's in conflict with the law ???http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/2012/en/si/0332.htmlhttp://www.irishstatutebook.ie/1961/en/act/pub/0024/sec0003.html#sec3
phatony wrote: » 3. Technically, this is a bus? I can't post link, but three wubbles dot defendericon.com/land-rover-defender-sale/222/land-rover-defender-110-22-tdci-heritage-le-station-wagon/ VRT of €200 coz its a bus? Road tax of €154 per year coz its a bus? And all I have to do is sit another driving test?
phatony wrote: » Thanks for all the replies: 1. You don't need to do CPC if you are not earning your living as a Professional Bus Driver (your job). Why are people saying D1 license is expensive to get? Is it not basically just like doing a car test in a 10-seat vehicle? Or is there some huge onerous difference? 2. As for converting a vehicle to be a bus, any written regulations out there that ye might be able to link to please? For example, I don't need all the 10 seats to be big enough for a grown adult. I mean, there might be an opportunity to do something ridiculous like put 8 baby seats in a 1.6 Diesel Ford Transit connect, in the form of benches down the sides with narrow seatbelt spacings, or something! 3. Technically, this is a bus? I can't post link, but three wubbles dot defendericon.com/land-rover-defender-sale/222/land-rover-defender-110-22-tdci-heritage-le-station-wagon/ VRT of €200 coz its a bus? Road tax of €154 per year coz its a bus? And all I have to do is sit another driving test?
djimi wrote: » Even if that did fit the bill legally, Id say the amount of hassle you would get regardless would not be worth it. It doesnt look like a bus, so you are still likely to get pulled over by a Garda who wouldnt know the difference, and have the hassle of trying to explain yourself.
Del2005 wrote: » AFAIK there are regulations for seats, or else the unscrupulous operators would just throw a load of the cheap plastic seats you used to sit on in school in the back. Can't see the DOE passing child seats in a bus.
CiniO wrote: » True. Not true. Large PSV tax rates are actually pretty low (154 for up to 20 seater, 403 for 41 seater and bigger) But to be able to avail of them, you would need to have a licence for passenger transport. If you buy a bus as private individual or company which doesn't have licence for passenger transport, then only option of taxing the bus is on engine size rates (same as private tax).
phatony wrote: » Hi, this is interesting - can you link to a source to show that a person would need to have a license for passenger transport in order to tax as a bus? Like when people go to tax a bus, do they actually need to present this?
3. (a) Vehicles constructed or adapted for the carriage of more than 8 persons which are owned by a youth or community organisation and which are used exclusively by the organisation solely for the purpose of conveying persons on journeys directly related to the activities of the organisation and which have seating capacity for— (i) more than 8 persons but not more than 20 persons, €143 (ii) more than 20 persons but not more than 40 persons, €188 (iii) more than 40 persons but not more than 60 persons, €375 (iv) more than 60 persons, €375 (b) vehicles (other than those referred to in subparagraph (c) of this paragraph) used as large public service vehicles within the meaning of the Road Traffic Act 1961 , and having seating capacity for— (i) more than 8 persons but not more than 20 persons, €143 (ii) more than 20 persons but not more than 40 persons, €188 (iii) more than 40 persons but not more than 60 persons, €375 (iv) more than 60 persons, €375 (c) vehicles which are large public service vehicles within the meaning of the Road Traffic Act 1961 , and which are used only for the carriage of children, or children and teachers, being carried to or from school or to or from school-related physical education activities, and are either licensed under Article 60 of the Road Traffic (Public Service Vehicles) Regulations 1963 ( S.I. No. 191 of 1963 ) as amended, or owned or operated by a statutory transport undertaking.
“large public service vehicle” means a public service vehicle having seating passenger accommodation for more than eight persons exclusive of the driver; “public service vehicle” means a mechanically propelled vehicle used for the carriage of persons for reward;
slimjimmc wrote: » Surely that's in conflict with the law ???
phatony wrote: » Just discovered that to get the LSPV license for a vehicle to tax it as a bus, you need to submit your operators license with the application :-( But it might still be worth paying €1000 annual road tax if private bus can use bus lanes, given the higher earning potential it would enable access to... So I suppose the question is what is the latest definition of a LPSV for legal access to bus lanes...?
CiniO wrote: » After having multiple discussions with gardai along the lines of 'this is a bus lane' 'Yes, this is a bus', he went to the superintendent in Pearse St to get clarification and was told that he was as entitled to use the bus lane as any other bus was, full or not..
djimi wrote: » The key is in the name in fairness; public service vehicle. Large or otherwise, if its not available for public hire then its not a public service vehicle. The defintion as posted above is crystal clear in fairness; it defines a PSV, then specifies that a LPSV is a PSV that can carry 8+ passengers. You are clutching at straws at this stage tbf!
phatony wrote: » ...but a 10 seater is still Category C €200 VRT at import, right?
CiniO wrote: » Yes
Noccy_Mondy wrote: » But sure, would you seriously go around in a bus if you were able to? The iveco one looks hideous, the 814 would be up on €30/40k. Fair enough you could use bus lanes but what about when it comes to parking. Taking a transit, once you're inside, it's a lot bigger than it looks from the outside, coming from a car it's a big difference, and take into account if there's someone else that will be driving it that might find it difficult to drive - you wouldn't get into a car parking spot. I know you're only using them as examples, but them merks for example are over 4 litre diesel, and ain't too economical in the best of times, not to mention the stop start city driving.
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