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Palestinaisn being slaughtered and a prick with a cowboy hat is on frint page

davmol

So,the isralies had some of their citizens murdered and as usual have to kill 10-20 palestinians for every 1 israelie they lost.Scores of innocents will be murdered including a few littel girls already killed and Garth brooks gets teh headline of each newspaper.

what kind of world is this that a plonker who sings sh1t songs can get the headlines while innocent people are murdered by the Israeli war machine?!1:mad:

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Nodin

Azwaldo55 wrote: »

If your house was broken into by squatters would you kill them if they didn't leave? Of course not.

But the settlements are being expanded in the West Bank. When there are no rockets, there is still building. There was building before Hamas and its a safe bet there'd be building after them. Why is that?

Did you read these two links?
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0509003653.htm

http://www.beliefnet.com/columnists/...esearchers.php

darkpagandeath

Don't you think any other country causing 77% odd civilian casualties would be slated and have sanctions and so on put on them. And basically told to stop.

Nodin

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Don't you think any other country causing 77% odd civilian casualties would be slated and have sanctions and so on put on them. And basically told to stop.

The "s" word....

wes

Azwaldo55 wrote: »

The one state solution (Arab, Jews, Christians, Samaritans, Druze, Muslims etc sharing the region) is a non runner. The Muslims would simply start persecuting and slaughtering Jews, Christians, Samaritans and Druze when they gained political power and did away with democracy and established Sharia Law.

Nonsense, while a single state solution would be veyr difficult, it would be possible, as there have been instances in the past were all groups lived in relative harmony.

Also, the mask slips again, saying that the Muslims would straight away go for taking over. Surely another possible scenario would extremist Zionists (see what I did there, I manage to blame a specific political groups as opposed to Jews in general) trying to take over.

While there would certainly be nutters on both sides, who would want to take over, once everyone is accorded equal rights, they would slowly fade into the background.

A single state solution would be a hard thing to achieve as its not presently popular among either side. However, there are small groups on both side who recognize it as a possibility if Israel continues settlement expansion, and some who would argue that there is already a defacto single state.

Azwaldo55 wrote: »

The two state solution is also a non-runner. Were the Israelis to withdraw to the 1967 borders there is no question that the West Bank would become a launch site for rockets and missiles and daily life would become impossible. Arab nations would join in and Israel would be destroyed.

The 2 statue solution is still just barley the most viable solution. As for your claim of it being used to launch attacks on Israel, is just more nonsense from you as per usual. Firstly, the Palestinians security forces have done a very good job of preventing attacks on Israel, even while there settlers are stealing Palestinian land. I would imagine with a viable state of there own, it would become exponentially harder for nutters to recruit people to there cause, and would be a hell of lot easier for Palestinians security force to keep there nutters in check.

I would say that Israel would have a harder time with there nutters, as there dream of a great Israel would be finished.

While, there would be attacks from people wanting to kick things off, if clear head amongst both potential future government keep it together, any violence could easily be managed, and be reduced over time as everyone gets use to a 2 state arrangement.

Azwaldo55 wrote: »

So only two solutions remain - 1) remove all the Jews and give them territory in another part of the world where they can start again or 2) Arab Muslims should be taken in by neighboring nations and Israel can build a defensive line on the natural barrier of the Jordan Valley.

Both solution are non-starters, and are simply racist solutions that no one on either side would accept. In fact those 2 solution would cause the most violence of any other.

Azwaldo55 wrote: »

In the case of solution 1) Israel obviously has nuclear weapons and one of the most sophisticated and effective armies in the entire world with the support of the United States so obviously it is a non-runner.

No its a non-starter as no one will accept ethnic cleansing in this day and age.

Azwaldo55 wrote: »

The only other option available therefore is for Palestinian Arab Muslims who hate Israel to be removed from the West Bank and Gaza. They obviously hate Israel, they hate Jews and the hate living there so why not remove them and let them live in Muslim states far away from Jews?

Remove the settlements and people on both sides will calm down. The settlements are the problem here, remove them, and then over time both side can learn to live side by side.

Azwaldo55 wrote: »

Naturally this would involve considerable bloodshed but the alternative is an endless war between Israel and Palestine.

A 2 state solution (or a 1 state one) would result in far less violence then trying to ethnically cleanse either group. Its a non-starter, there are far too many Palestinians and Jews, for either side to be removed, short of genocide.

Azwaldo55 wrote: »

The fanatical and idiotic fanaticism of the Palestinians is the root cause of the conflict. There blind refusal to accept the existence of the State of Israel and there absurd genocidal dream of killing all the Jews has led to this impasse.

Your talking nonsense, and quite frankly, your posts are a litany of appalling racism, talking trying to sickeningly justify ethnic cleansing. You ignore the fanaticism of extremist Jewish settlers and there enablers (see what I did there again, i didn't blame Jews in general. it really isn't hard).

Also, you are after advocating ethnic cleansing, which tends to involve acts of genocide, so your one to talk imho.

Azwaldo55 wrote: »

I cannot think of any other practical outcome except to give all of the territory between the sea and the Jordan to Israel and let the Palestinian Arab Muslims set up home elsewhere.

Well, racists tend to only see racist solutions.

darkpagandeath

most sophisticated and effective armies in the entire world

Yeah ok, Explain them only being able to kill 23% of the people they are aiming for. 77% so far has been civilians.

FTA69

Don't feed it.

darkpagandeath

FTA69 wrote: »

Don't feed it.

Feed what ? Are UN statistics unpalatable ?

thebannerboy

c_man wrote: »

Op, it's not Garth's fault. Sadly, Palestinians being killed by Israelis isn't exactly shocking news whereas a country gone mad in the head is.

I heard about the Israel strike on the cafe, killing people watching the World Cup semi-finals. Something similar happened here two decades ago and we remember it as a massacre. Happens in Gaza and it's a 'surgical strike'.

Well at least we know there wasn't any women present then!

Arthur Beesley

Hamas are a bunch of pricks.

Azwaldo55

darkpagandeath wrote: »

And basically told to stop.

Or else...what?

thebannerboy

Why people are so pro a Shari Law terrorist group I will never understand. Do people realise that when Israel gives a 15 minute warning that they are going to strike a house, HAMAS herds and force civilians inside to the house so there are maxim victims. These are there own people that are doing this to them.

Why is there not the same hate felt towards China? They are currently occupying Tibet, there is Zero human rights and anything that does happen is not allowed to be reported in the media. Yet people just blindly attack Israel. They have to respond to missile attacks on they're country. If you are a small kid in a playground full of violent bullies, you wont get anywhere by being soft!!

Nodin

thebannerboy wrote: »

............... If you are a small kid in a playground full of violent bullies, you wont get anywhere by being soft!!

I'm fairly sure that the violent bully in this case is the one who has been colonising outside it's legal borders for 40 years.

Azwaldo55

Nodin wrote: »

I'm fairly sure that the violent bully in this case is the one who has been colonising outside it's legal borders for 40 years.

What legal borders? The 1967 "borders" were a ceasefire line from the 1948 war. The Arab nations don't recognize any legal borders with Israel. In the 1948 war the Arab nations ganged up on Israel and tried to murder all the Jews. The Israelis fought back and defeated them all. In 1967 the Arabs once again tried to destroy Israel but Israel destroyed the Egyptian air force on the ground and drove them back from Gaza, Sinai, the West Bank and Golan Heights. After getting their asses thoroughly kicked the Arabs came back for more and in 1973 Israeli forces almost reached Damascus and Cairo again.
For almost 70 years the mantra of the Arabs has been the same "Death To Israel!" and "Death To Jews!" and generation after generation these luckless morons are swimming in squalor.
Meanwhile Israeli Jews who arrived in Israel with only the clothes on their backs made the deserts bloom and today have one of the most advanced civilized and industrially advanced nations on the face of the earth.

Nodin

Azwaldo55 wrote: »

What legal borders? The 1967 "borders" were a ceasefire line from the 1948 war. The Arab nations don't recognize any legal borders with Israel. .

You're sure on that?

Azwaldo55 wrote: »

Meanwhile Israeli Jews who arrived in Israel with only the clothes on their backs made the deserts bloom and today have one of the most advanced civilized and industrially advanced nations on the face of the earth.

I wasn't aware colonialism was civilised.

Did you read these two links?
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0509003653.htm

http://www.beliefnet.com/columnists/...esearchers.php

c_man

Azwaldo55 wrote: »

Meanwhile Israeli Jews who arrived in Israel with only the clothes on their backs made the deserts bloom and today have one of the most advanced civilized and industrially advanced nations on the face of the earth.

Lol. Ok, so you tell us where are the legal borders of Israel? Most countries tend to have them. Where does the settlement building actually stop?

KindOfIrish

thebannerboy wrote: »

Why people are so pro a Shari Law terrorist group I will never understand. Do people realise that when Israel gives a 15 minute warning that they are going to strike a house, HAMAS herds and force civilians inside to the house so there are maxim victims. These are there own people that are doing this to them.

Pro Palestinian people is the same type of people who take part in "Shell to sea", Animal Rights, Greenpeace and other modern sects that works as a substitute for extreme forms of religion.

end of the road

Azwaldo55 wrote: »

The Palestinians don't want to be free. They want to submit to Allah and live under theocratic thugs and also kill Jews.

you'd know all about thugs, considering your condoning the actions of a group of them

end of the road

Nodin wrote: »

Dear Jesus. My only hope is that you're just trotting out that crap to get a reaction.

sadly he's not nodin, he actually believes this nonsense, i've dealt with him before on another topic

end of the road

Azwaldo55 wrote: »

Whatever.

i know, the truth hurts doesn't it, the jewish state whines about terrorism while commiting it itself and using the holicost to excuse it.

Azwaldo55 wrote: »

The facts are that Hamas are using hospitals and schools and civilian homes to hide rockets and/or using them as launch sites for rockets which are being used to target Israelis.

The facts are are israelies would bomb gaza no matter what because they want to remove the population to move in their own settlers to take the land as part of te expansion of israel.

Azwaldo55 wrote: »

Israelis are hitting the rockets in the air with Iron Dome and also blowing the launchers and their operators and the rocket arsenals.

Iron Dome isn't as successful any more as it was, they are not blowing the launchers and their operators and the rocket arsenals, but murdering the civilian population because of their grand plan to extend the boundries of israel.

Azwaldo55 wrote: »

the Palestinians have only themselves to blame - they fantasize about killing all the Jews and conquering Israel - and this is why they live in squalor.

do they? you don't say. when your home is being blown to bits and your friends and family are being slaughtered many would fantasize about killing all occupiers and conquering the country the occupiers come from, watch the vidio i posted a while back where a man who is actually from israel, who served in the military himself and his father before him, tells us how it actually is.

end of the road

Azwaldo55 wrote: »

You are in total denial of the nature of the Palestinians.

he is not, he knows what he is talking about, unlike you

Azwaldo55 wrote: »

They are quite explicit that they want to kill all the Jews and conquer the land between "the river and sea."

Yasser Arafat wore his head dress in the shape of the future Palestinian state and his aims were the same and those of Hamas today.

"We will not bend or fail until the blood of every last Jew from the youngest child to the oldest elder is spilt to redeem our land!"

This is what you are supporting when you support Palestinian "freedom."

The preamble of the Hamas Charter states:

″Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it″

stop making up things, nobody believes you

end of the road

Azwaldo55 wrote: »

You are in total denial.

Azwaldo55 wrote: »

Hamas has the same ideology as ISIS, Al-Qaida, the Taliban, Boko Haram many other Islamic terrorist groups, and me

fixed

Azwaldo55 wrote: »

Islam represents a threat to our entire civilization.

your posts can be somed up like this. "da mustdlims, takin our jobds"

end of the road

Azwaldo55 wrote: »

I don't agree with it.

That does not mean I deny the reality of Palestinian political and religious lunacy which has led directly to the situation today.

During the Second World War the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem openly supported the Nazis, until the day he died Yasser Arafat was an ultra extremist Arab nationalist who spouted Jew hatred and screamed for the destruction of Israel and today Hamas a fanatical Islamist outfit are continuing the same tradition of blind hatred of Jews and Israel.

because israel isn't doing the exact same in relation to palestinians?

end of the road

Azwaldo55 wrote: »

Opposition to the settlements does not justify or excuse the Palestinian dream of slaughtering the Jews and destroying Israel.

The British administration in the British Mandate was notoriously anti-semitic and indeed former Black and Tans fought the Jewish freedom fighters before the founding of Israel.

Eichmann met with Jewish leaders to discuss the possibility of Palestine becoming a refuge for millions of Eastern European Jews. The idea from the Jewish side was to save the lives of Jews and during and after the Second World War European Jews came in a flood as Eichmann and his goons began murdering Jews wholesale. Jews who co-operated with the Nazis in helping to administer the ghettos or police the death camps were misguided and terrified human beings who struggled to save themselves and save as many of their people as they could.

I brought up the past because Hamas are just the latest incarnation of the pathological fanaticism of the Palestinians.

They could have had their own state long ago but instead have chosen war and thrown away again and again the chance of peace.

There could be peace tomorrow if the rockets stop and Palestinians abandon their lunatic political and religious stances.

i was right, you really are clueless and really do believe your nonsense, israel was never going to and never will agree to a palestinian state, religious extremism is just an excuse for israely terrorism upon the civilian population of gaza

dj jarvis

KindOfIrish wrote: »

Pro Palestinian people is the same type of people who take part in "Shell to sea", Animal Rights, Greenpeace and other modern sects that works as a substitute for extreme forms of religion.

is that right Sigmund :rolleyes:

end of the road

Azwaldo55 wrote: »

Anyone who is naive and ill informed can be excused when they are fooled by anti-Israeli propaganda.

Anyone who is naive and ill informed can be excused when they are fooled by pro-Israeli propaganda.

Azwaldo55 wrote: »

anyone who knows full well what the Palestinians are really about and supports them regardless can only be an anti-semite.

dear god, only a matter of time before this was said, calling someone an anti-semite for supporting the civilian population of gaza is extremism at its best.

The Aussie

KindOfIrish wrote: »

Pro Palestinian people is the same type of people who take part in "Shell to sea", Animal Rights, Greenpeace and other modern sects that works as a substitute for extreme forms of religion.

You forgot the trespassing joke that was the Occupy fiasco...

end of the road

Azwaldo55 wrote: »

Hamas are not interested in a two state solution or indeed any solution that falls short of their goal - the destruction of Israel and the murder of all the Jews in Israel and worldwide.

more bull

Azwaldo55 wrote: »

Supporting Israel and opposing the blind extremism and terrorism of Hamas is the only moral thing to do.

is it?

Azwaldo55 wrote: »

Your blind hatred of Israel is quite palpable.

Your blind hatred of muslims in general is quite palpable.

end of the road

Azwaldo55 wrote: »

ISIS and Hamas share the same ideology - Islamic extremism - and the same global goals - the destruction of Israel and the murder of the Jews and forced conversion of all infidels.

wrong

dj jarvis

The Aussie wrote: »

You forgot the trespassing joke that was the Occupy fiasco...

it was so much of a fiasco , that years after it ended , people STILL talk about it - reminding people about the 99%.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/nov/12/occupy-wall-street-activists-15m-personal-debt
So Aussie , how many indebted people have you freed from financial slavery today ? let me guess how many :rolleyes:

Fiasco ? Fiasco , only fiasco going on here is the true nut cases trying to justify Israel bombing 40+ kids in 6 days

NO JUSTIFICATION - Animals !!!
and if it was the other way around , i would be backing Israel ,
Killing women and children is wrong , no matter who or why its been done

end of the road

Azwaldo55 wrote: »

If a two-state solution is not possible then the solution would be for Arab nations to take in the remainder of the Palestinians and allow the Israelis to use the natural barrier of the Jordan valley as their bulwark against any future attempts by Arabs to invade Israel.

or, for the israelies to put up and shut up and give back the land stolen in 1967

Azwaldo55 wrote: »

Why should Israel open their border with a territory that is attacking them?

why should israel slaughter those involved in the humanitarian aid to gaza, including attacking an irish ship which, along with the passport incident, was an act of war on the irish state?

Azwaldo55 wrote: »

The Gazans have Egypt next door to trade with. Maybe they could spend their money on goods rather than weapons like the rockets they are firing at Israel?

do they? could they?