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Palestinaisn being slaughtered and a prick with a cowboy hat is on frint page

davmol

So,the isralies had some of their citizens murdered and as usual have to kill 10-20 palestinians for every 1 israelie they lost.Scores of innocents will be murdered including a few littel girls already killed and Garth brooks gets teh headline of each newspaper.

what kind of world is this that a plonker who sings sh1t songs can get the headlines while innocent people are murdered by the Israeli war machine?!1:mad:

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old hippy

oak5548 wrote: »

Am I the only one who is sick of seeing the pure propaganda and hatred towards Israel on this website and elsewhere?
People seem to be allowed to say "fúck Israel, and fúck Israelis" + call them every name under the sun.

If we said that about any other country, of if we said fúck islamic people then it would be instant bans all around.

So fúck Hamas, blow them to smitherines I say.

And where are "people" saying this on this website?

My issues lie with the IDF and the Israeli Govt, not the people.

Nodin

Valetta wrote: »

How? By a bomb launched by the IRA from within the republic.

You seem a bit confused as to the facts there.

Lord Sutch wrote:

Stupid because they know they are going to be hit back hard, or cunning because
they know they will make the Israelis look like the bad guys

International law makes it perfectly clear who the aggressor has been for the last 40 years, and its not Hamas (who aren'r even around that long).

Lord Sutch wrote:

Hamas are the ones with terrorist tendencies.

What are "terrorist tendencies" exactly?

Karl Stein

Nodin wrote: »

What are "terrorist tendencies" exactly?

Lord Sutch has a Ladybird book 'goodies and baddies' view of the world.

Baddies' violence = terrorism.

Goodies' violence = security/defence.

Nodin

Karl Stein wrote: »

Lord Sutch has a Ladybird book 'goodies and baddies' view of the world.

Baddies' violence = terrorism.

Goodies' violence = security/defence.

I was wondering if maybe he meant people who left the Balaclava on when they were atein the soup, or used the bit of explosive to get the fire started.

end of the road

I Heart Internet wrote: »

So are they or are they not using guided missiles?

You're not clear.

THEY PROBABLY ARE USING GUIDED WEAPONS BUT ARE DELIBERATELY GUIDING THEM TO CIVILIAN AREAS FOR MAXIMUM IMPACT

arybvtcw0eolkf

end of the road wrote: »

THEY PROBABLY ARE USING GUIDED WEAPONS BUT ARE DELIBERATELY GUIDING THEM TO CIVILIAN AREAS FOR MAXIMUM IMPACT

That makes no sense since its not civilians launching rockets at Israel, plus civilian deaths have a certain collateral damage value to Hamas which Israel would certainly wish to avoid.

wexie

end of the road wrote: »

THEY PROBABLY ARE USING GUIDED WEAPONS BUT ARE DELIBERATELY GUIDING THEM TO CIVILIAN AREAS FOR MAXIMUM IMPACT

The IDF have been at this war thingy long enough that, if they were really deliberately targeting civilians there'd be a lot more than a handful of casualties.

woodoo

The Palestinians really have little option but to fight in any way they can. Even by behaving peacefully they still have their people brutalised and killed and have their land stolen. Who could blame them for whatever way they choose to resist.

end of the road

oak5548 wrote: »

Am I the only one who is sick of seeing the pure propaganda and hatred towards Israel on this website and elsewhere?
People seem to be allowed to say "fúck Israel, and fúck Israelis" + call them every name under the sun.

If we said that about any other country, of if we said fúck islamic people then it would be instant bans all around.

So fúck Hamas, blow them to smitherines I say.

what exactly are you on about here? there is a difference between wanting a state who murders civilians to be held accountable for its crimes and dislike of a religion, do you believe those who criticise israel are anti-jewish?

BlaasForRafa

wexie wrote: »

The IDF have been at this war thingy long enough that, if they were really deliberately targeting civilians there'd be a lot more than a handful of casualties.

Indeed, Israel has struck over 1 thousand targets so far. The Palestinians claim 100 have died which would put the real figure at about 70 (of whom Hamas have already admitted a number of their fighters killed), which is less than 0.07 fatalities per bomb/missile strike, an astonishingly low figure if Israels intent was to kill civilians

FTA69

Guillermo Faithful Tractor wrote: »

Hamas launch their rockets from schools, homes, hospitals and other public places with the approval of their own people ~ there is a culture of martyrdom in Islam which makes this a perfect good way to die.

Now I'm not making excuses for Israel, I hate this battle too & I hate that civilians are once again going to bare the brunt of it, but that's simply how these strikes go.

The overwhelming feeling amongst the Palestinians when this happens is fear. The notion that they are looking forward to a good death at the hands of a Jericho rocket or an Apache missile is flawed to say the very least. They're just like anyone else when hundreds of tonnes of bombs start landing in densely populated areas i.e. sh*t scared.

Similarly, the notion that the Israelis care a jot about Palestinian casualties is nonsense. Just because they're not engaging in total war against an unarmed population doesn't mean they give two f*cks about killing civilians. Only yesterday they flattened a beach bar full of people watching the telly. Hundreds of Palestinian children have been killed by the Israeli military. Not so long ago they facilitated the massacre of Palestinians in Lebanese refugee camps. There can be no talk of "self defence" on the part of Israel when they are busily seizing land at will, blockading Gaza to the point of privation and occupying the West Bank.

B.A._Baracus

You can't blame the news. But you can blame society.

A newspaper or news website is there to make money. So they are going to pick headlines that will make more people buy papers etc. So if no one cared if Garth Brooks cancelled it certainly would not have made headlines.

So we are talking about people and society here. The harsh reality is that people are in uproar over a gig. Than people dying. All because it doesn't effect them.

arybvtcw0eolkf

FTA69 wrote: »

The overwhelming feeling amongst the Palestinians when this happens is fear. The notion that they are looking forward to a good death at the hands of a Jericho rocket or an Apache missile is flawed to say the very least. They're just like anyone else when hundreds of tonnes of bombs start landing in densely populated areas i.e. sh*t scared.

Similarly, the notion that the Israelis care a jot about Palestinian casualties is nonsense. Just because they're not engaging in total war against an unarmed population doesn't mean they give two f*cks about killing civilians. Only yesterday they flattened a beach bar full of people watching the telly. Hundreds of Palestinian children have been killed by the Israeli military. Not so long ago they facilitated the massacre of Palestinians in Lebanese refugee camps. There can be no talk of "self defence" on the part of Israel when they are busily seizing land at will, blockading Gaza to the point of privation and occupying the West Bank.

Oh I know about fear, I've sat under enough IDF bombardments of south Lebanon.

About the culture of martyrdom, its real.

I take the death toll with a pinch of salt in any battle, in the last few days tbh I'm surprised its not higher than it stands.

Speaking of death tolls, one thing always stuck out in my mind from Lebanon.. No one ever died of natural causes, the IDF killed EVERYONE!!..

Now I realize a civilian in Gaza has a pretty good chance of going to paradise via an IAF rocket, but I don't believe they all do

EyeSight

Kind of a silly thread argument. With the same reasoning you would have nothing but reports of the war in Syria, Iraq, East Ukraine conflict, countless conflicts throughout Africa.
People want local news too

Arthur Beesley

Conmaicne Mara wrote: »

Post strangely devoid of mention of rocket fire from Gaza into Israel.

Correct, does seem a bit one sided.

Nodin

EyeSight wrote: »

Kind of a silly thread argument. With the same reasoning you would have nothing but reports of the war in Syria, Iraq, East Ukraine conflict, countless conflicts throughout Africa.
People want local news too

That's absolutely fair enough. Garth Brooks would not be the greatest issue facing the nation though.

arybvtcw0eolkf

EyeSight wrote: »

Kind of a silly thread argument. With the same reasoning you would have nothing but reports of the war in Syria, Iraq, East Ukraine conflict, countless conflicts throughout Africa.
People want local news too

Regarding other wars, I've to get ready for work now but I'll leave you with this one I took home from the middle east..

"When a Christian kills a Muslim its a crusade. When a Jew kills a Muslim its a massacre, but when a Muslim kills a Muslim no one gives a f*ck"

Sad really because when the likes of Hamas persecute gays, or political opposition, or press freedom, free speech, or girls who wear jeans or kiss a boy outside of marriage no one gives a toss.. Pathetic.

RollieFingers

The oul Israelis don't come across as the nicest bunch!

https://storify.com/davidsheen/israeli-army-the-next-generation

humanji

Guillermo Faithful Tractor wrote: »

Thats rubbish.

If Israel didn't care about civilian casualties they wouldn't use expensive guided munitions, they'd do it on the cheap with dumb iron bombs and level the place and be home in time for dinner.

Then they couldn't claim the moral high ground.

humanji

RollieFingers wrote: »

The oul Israelis don't come across as the nicest bunch!

https://storify.com/davidsheen/israeli-army-the-next-generation

Every nation, religion and grouping has more than enough racist fanatics. Thankfully, they're rarely the majority.

Stereomaniac

Well those tweets in that link aren't all that shocking to me, given that I see such racism in Ireland.

Arthur Beesley

Surprised this hasn't been moved from After Hours yet.

userod

Nodin wrote: »

That's absolutely fair enough. Garth Brooks would not be the greatest issue facing the nation though.

Clearly when it comes to selling media, it is.

Who are you to decide the priority of our issues.

humanji

Arthur Beesley wrote: »

Surprised this hasn't been moved from After Hours yet.

It's current affairs and it doesn't really belong anywhere else. So here seems good enough, I think. It can be moved later if anyone feels it's better suited elsewhere.

end of the road

userod wrote: »

Clearly when it comes to selling media, it is.

Who are you to decide the priority of our issues.

its his opinion

Wishiwasa Littlebitaller

You think that's bad? I just seen some woman giving out to her son in the local Centra because he kept asking for packets of sweets.

I went over and said:

"Excuse me, but do you not realise what's happening in the middle east? Don't you think it's a trivial matter that your little tyke wants some sweeties. People are dying you stupid bitch".

Then suddenly, I was the issue. Yeah right lady. Honestly, some people eh.

OneEightSeven

wes wrote: »

No one would accept a foreign nation stealing your land and slowly ethnically cleansing them.

Palestinians are not an ethnic group. They are indistinguishable from Jordanians and other Arabs in the region. About 1.5 million Arabs live and work in Israel, the ones who don't embrace the Israeli state are being forcefully removed.

Ethnically cleansing is most definitely the incorrect term to use in this case. The Arabs have a long history of stealing land themselves and I have seen many people on here telling the British they should accept immigration because their ancestors colonised one-sixth of the planet.

Those who agree the British are getting a taste of their own medicine must also agree the Arabs are getting a taste of theirs, too - not that I agree with punishing the people of today for what their ancestors did, it's just that I've seen many liberal-types telling the British to suck it up, which is double standards.

OneEightSeven

humanji wrote: »

Then they couldn't claim the moral high ground.

There's no doubt the State of Israel cares more about the lives of the Palestinians than Hamas do.

end of the road

OneEightSeven wrote: »

About 1.5 million Arabs live and work in Israel, the ones who don't embrace the Israeli state are being forcefully removed.

yes eradicated, the jewish state wants to wipe out the palestinian population, israel have said themselves they will do what is necessary in this conflict meaning no doubt they will murder left right and centre. they want the territory and do whatever it takes to get it.

OneEightSeven wrote: »

Ethnically cleansing is most definitely the incorrect term to use in this case.

maybe not, but cleansing is certainly the correct term

EyeSight

Nodin wrote: »

That's absolutely fair enough. Garth Brooks would not be the greatest issue facing the nation though.

Very true. But the only other big news story in Ireland I have been reading is that "Reshuffle talks resume" - with nothing else to add. Either way it's up to the media to decide what to write and the GB story is juicer, involves DCC incompetence and the Taoiseach has even been commenting on it.

Guillermo Faithful Tractor wrote: »

Regarding other wars, I've to get ready for work now but I'll leave you with this one I took home from the middle east..

"When a Christian kills a Muslim its a crusade. When a Jew kills a Muslim its a massacre, but when a Muslim kills a Muslim no one gives a f*ck"

Sad really because when the likes of Hamas persecute gays, or political opposition, or press freedom, free speech, or girls who wear jeans or kiss a boy outside of marriage no one gives a toss.. Pathetic.

I get your point, but I don't think that's actually true. Most people care if someone from any religion kills someone else. Most people don't like hearing that. But it's happening far away so we don't care as much as if it were happening in front of us.