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humanji wrote: »

Let's not pretend here. The elements of Palestine who are firing on Israel want to kill everyone in Israel. The elements of Israel who are firing on Palestine want to kill everyone in Palestine.

That's just not true. Hamas fires at random, regardless of casualties. Israel, despite killing innocent people, do aim to avoid killing innocent people.

wexie

humanji wrote: »

Let's not pretend here. The elements of Palestine who are firing on Israel want to kill everyone in Israel. The elements of Israel who are firing on Palestine want to kill everyone in Palestine.

Neither of those groups are the good guys weeping over every innocent life lost.

The reasons for this conflict are no longer important. Those who hate, want the opposition dead. Simple as that. And they're both going to continue until one side is gone.

What's most bizarre (to me at least) that this is spanning generations, I genuinely can't imagine teaching your kids to hate something or someone so much they'd end up ruining their lives over it. (same is happening up north)

Was reading this article http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-27883685 recently and have great respect for those people and their attitude.

humanji

I Heart Internet wrote: »

That's just not true. Hamas fires at random, regardless of casualties. Israel, despite killing innocent people, do aim to avoid killing innocent people.

No, they don't. They have the ability to make precision attacks. They don't use it because they don't care. Why should they? Their own people are being massacred. Hate drives them.

Look the IRA was a much bigger threat to the British state than Hamas is to the "Jewish" one. Yet never in a million years would the RAF being doing to Ireland (mainly because they'd never get away with it) what the IDF is doing to Gaza (mainly because they can get away with it.).

davmol

I Heart Internet wrote: »

That's just not true. Hamas fires at random, regardless of casualties. Israel, despite killing innocent people, do aim to avoid killing innocent people.

Again,Missiles at apartment blocks in one of the most densely populated areas of the world is indiscriminate killing.Using phosporous gas on a population is indiscriminate.A gas that is illegal by almost every international agreement but of course bully boy Israel get away with it as its not a crime if the worlds law enforcer ,the USA,says its not.

Dont fool yourself by the IDF press core and their claims that they want to only kill Hamas.Its Bull,the Israelis would like nothign better than to wipe out the palestinians.

hatrickpatrick

OP, answer is very simple: Palestinian / Israeli war has been going on for decades, Garth Brooks incident is brand new. Regardless of the moral implications, the media always has and always will prefer to run with new stories rather than long term, ongoing ones.

I Heart Internet wrote: »

That's just not true. Hamas fires at random, regardless of casualties. Israel, despite killing innocent people, do aim to avoid killing innocent people.

Fires at random? So their missing their targets on purpose?

humanji wrote: »

No, they don't. They have the ability to make precision attacks. They don't use it because they don't care. Why should they? Their own people are being massacred. Hate drives them.

They have the ability to make precision attacks, yes. They use it, but they are not magicians and will mistakes.

With Hamas, it is never a mistake. Every lucky kill of any Israeli is a source of joy for them.

Luke92

So Hamas kidnap 3 young Israelis and kill them and bury them. Some extremist Jews kidnap a Palestinian and burn him alive.

Hamas fire a sh!t load of ****ty rockets into Israel. Israel retaliate by firing a sh!t load of awesome rockets into Palestine.

Its not a case of one being bad and the other good. They are both as bad as each other, Israel just have the more effective weapons!

I Heart Internet wrote: »

They have the ability to make precision attacks, yes. They use it, but they are not magicians and will mistakes.

With Hamas, it is never a mistake. Every lucky kill of any Israeli is a source of joy for them.

They haven't expiernced much joy then say they came to power. Unlike like IDF who have had 1000's of joys since 2006.

Warper

Every right thinking person knows what Israel is doing to the Palestinian people is a form of genocide. They won't be happy until they have taken control of all of Gaza and either killed or forced the Palestines from their land. They are doing to Palestine what Hitler did to the Jews all those years ago and no one is doing anything about it. We Irish are more interested in Garth Brooks than the murder of innocent women and children.

pO1Neil wrote: »

Fires at random? So their missing their targets on purpose?

No. They want to hit Israeli targets and kill people. But their technology is so poor that they are effectively lobbing missiles at random.

pO1Neil wrote: »

They haven't expiernced much joy then say they came to power. Unlike like IDF who have had 1000's of joys since 2006.

Israel does not rejoice in the killing of civilians. Hamas very much does.

I Heart Internet wrote: »

Respective military strength has nothing to do with it.

Intent has everything to do with it.

Hamas wish to kill Israelis - any Israelis...adults, children, palistinian Israelis, Jews, visiting tourists with every rocket. The fact that the rockets are aimless is just good fortune.

Israel wishes to kill Hamas fighters and disable rocket launch sites and equipment with every missile. It doesn't wish to kill innocent civilians. It avoids launch missiles where innocent casualties are likely. But innocent people (as ever in these circumstances) still get killed.

It's all about intent.

Respective military strength has everything to do with it.
Intent has everything to do with it also.
Israel wishes to kill civilians and take the whole territory of gaza
It wishes to kill innocent civilians as a way of punishing everyone and hopefully taking back gaza and any more territory it can get.
It does not avoid launching missiles where innocent casualties are likely, but deliberately does it in the hope of killing as many as possible, the more they get the happier they are
it was a state built by terrorism and murder and continues as such using emotional blackmail and accusing people of being anti-jew if they criticise them as a way of keeping countries from criticising their actions, and making the likes of america scared to refuse to keep up their military strength
such emotional blackmail was used during the 1967 war where the US could have told them to get stuffed but didn't because they were afraid to do so, everybody knows deep down israels actions are wrong

humanji

wexie wrote: »

What's most bizarre (to me at least) that this is spanning generations, I genuinely can't imagine teaching your kids to hate something or someone so much they'd end up ruining their lives over it. (same is happening up north)

Was reading this article http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-27883685 recently and have great respect for those people and their attitude.

It's a vicious circle. If someone does something terrible to you, it'd be hard not to pass that hate onto your children, even if you don't intend to. The more enlightened people who want peaceful resolutions are easily shouted down by those who are angry and those who are manipulating the people for their own gain.

wexie wrote: »

And this of course would have nothing to do with the fact that Hamas is trying to use civilian areas as a shield for launching their rockets?

no excuse, but its doubtful anyway, murdering civilians is a well used tactic by israel

Averi Swift Pane wrote: »

More Israelis would have been killed only for their defence systems shooting down some of the rockets and people going into shelters as soon as the sirens go off.

Everyone is bemoaning the poor Palestinians but forgets that they are continually firing onto Israel. Is Israel to stand still and let them? Some would think so.

if it wasn't rockets it would be something else

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Do you think Israel has the right to exist?

back at pre 1967 borders, its going to exist so they may as well be forced back to the original land

Conmaicne Mara

davmol wrote: »

My reference was to the inncoent deaths of many young palestinian children due to Israeli 'Surgical strikes' on one of the most densely populated areas of the world.Lots of collateral damage.

Almost a hundred dead and hundreds injured,the tollwill rise further before the Israelis are finsihed.

at the last count there were NO Israeli fatalities

I'm sure it will rise further. What do you expect when the greater population of these areas allow terrorists fire rockets out of their territory, and allow them operate freely.

humanji

I Heart Internet wrote: »

Israel does not rejoice in the killing of civilians. Hamas very much does.

Yes Israeli forces do rejoice in killing civilians. That much is clear. They're as much animals as Hamas. They're simply opposite sides of the one coin. Their side just happens to be shinier.

humanji wrote: »

Yes Israeli forces do rejoice in killing civilians. That much is clear.

How is that clear?

I Heart Internet wrote: »

Clarrification - Hamas want to kill Israelis - any Israelis. Israel wants to kill gazin civilians any gazin civilians, no difference.

now thats the truth, fixed it for you

I Heart Internet wrote: »

Israel does not rejoice in the killing of civilians. Hamas very much does.

Trust me they do, they just have the years of experience not to show the joy.

In 2008 two Irish gunmen killed two British soldiers in the North of Ireland. How come the RAF didn't do to Ireland what IDF is doing to Gaza?

Grayson

Conmaicne Mara wrote: »

I'm sure it will rise further. What do you expect when the greater population of these areas allow terrorists fire rockets out of their territory, and allow them operate freely.

I'm a pacifist, but I can understand why Palestinians lob rockets over from gaza. It's a walled off ghetto. Nobody would have said the jews were wrong to fight out of the Warsaw ghetto.

Gaza is an entire population who are locked in and trapped. Borders are generally closed off and people in there have pretty much no hope. can you imagine what it would be like to try and raise children there knowing they'll be trapped in the same prison as you.

So, even though I disagree with violence, especially with indiscriminate weapons such as the rockets hamas have, I can understand why they have local support.

I Heart Internet wrote: »

Whereas Hamas would just kill 100 innocent people.

and israel wouldn't get the "bad guy" but shur thats okay, its the jewish state so we must excuse their evil terrorist actions

pO1Neil wrote: »

Trust me they do, they just have the years of experience not to show the joy.

In 2008 two Irish gunmen killed two British soldiers in the North of Ireland. How come the RAF didn't do to Ireland what IDF is doing to Gaza?

The IRA were not launching missiles into the North from Irish bases.

Any activity of the IRA in the Republic of Ireland was policed by a stable government committed to peace in the Republic of Ireland.

The situation in Gaza is entirely differernt.

Del2005 wrote: »

Hamas intentionally fire their rockets from civilian areas so when the Israelis retaliate they hit civilians. So technically Hamas are killing their own people. If Hamas cared about civilians they'd fire their rockets from unpopulated areas as they are always clear of the area before the counter battery.

delusianel nonsense, israel would kill civilians anyway, its a popular tactic with them

JeffKenna

I Heart Internet wrote: »

The IRA were not launching missiles into the North from Irish bases.

Any activity of the IRA in the Republic of Ireland was policed by a stable government committed to peace in the Republic of Ireland.

The situation in Gaza is entirely differernt.

No missiles came from Irish bases but bombs certainly did.

Also, the Irish government were involved in gun running for the IRA!!

Conmaicne Mara

Grayson wrote: »

I'm a pacifist, but I can understand why Palestinians lob rockets over from gaza. It's a walled off ghetto. Nobody would have said the jews were wrong to fight out of the Warsaw ghetto.

Gaza is an entire population who are locked in and trapped. Borders are generally closed off and people in there have pretty much no hope. can you imagine what it would be like to try and raise children there knowing they'll be trapped in the same prison as you.

So, even though I disagree with violence, especially with indiscriminate weapons such as the rockets hamas have, I can understand why they have local support.

I'm not a pacifist and it's foolish to keep repeating the same action, firing rockets, and expecting a different result from what is a ..... how many scales of magnitude better armed and more able enemy. Same sh1t different day in the ME.