mick kk wrote: » I don't know if this has been said already but taking the exam is not mandatory. You don't have to turn up for the exam. If you don't do it, then it simply doesn't appear on your results....what should change is the requirement for many third level courses to have a D in Irish.
auldgranny wrote: » Some French. Not fluent in it? After CHOOSING to study it?
auldgranny wrote: » Well you chose to study French, not fluent Were forced to study Irish, not fluent Your reason to make Irish optional again?
auldgranny wrote: » Read back on my posts. I agree with it being optional
Mcdonough wrote: » I don't understand all the Irish hate. After you've allowed every unique aspect of Irish culture to be forgotten, what's left on this rock? May as well just turn the whole isle into a parking lot. Maybe stop education, teach kids how to be fry cooks and wage slaves for international corporations instead.
Mcdonough wrote: » But that isn't what half the people here seem to be arguing.. they seem to think that the official language of Ireland isn't even worth knowing,
Mcdonough wrote: » and after 8 years, they still couldn't give enough ****es to learn it proper.
Mcdonough wrote: » I think tells us just how highly they think of Ireland. And if they literally hate Irish culture, why should we take their opinion seriously?
Mcdonough wrote: » It's not a hysteria when only a few hundred thousand are left speaking it, and the younger generations seem to take some weird pride in their Irish illiteracy... and, again, the fact that people refuse to learn it even when it's part of their basic schooling.
Mcdonough wrote: » I dont know how you fail to see the problem. If they can't learn it in 12, make it 14, then 16, etc. Its the national language, there's no excuse not to know it, especially if you're a citizen there.
AngryHippie wrote: » Irish History - We do. Irish dancing - pure whataboutery there pal. Not even worth a response.
bb1234567 wrote: » I struggled so much with maths this year, yet I needed a pass for my course( and this course involves no maths whatsoever).I do very well in all my subjects apart from maths. Exact same situation as you, but with different subjects. If irish shouldnt be compulsory then neither should maths or english
shane7218 wrote: » Like I struggled with Irish in school and barely passed it, yet I did great in everything else and almost missed out on getting into a computer science course. How can we justify something like Irish determining if someone is good enough to study an IT related course or any for that matter.
the_monkey wrote: » Yep likewise, I went to DCU and we got really good labs, other courses (science ones) got ****ty labs but the students doing Irish for some reason also got access to the CA labs ... :S .. Once I left my place for a second and some girl sat in my place and started to check my email - I asked what are you doing - she thought it was free and wanted to check her mail I told her it was my account, she apologized and then went to log out Needless to say she was from the Irish course - Fiohreachtala or whatever the f*ck its called ..
FunLover18 wrote: This has been covered, Irish is the ONLY subject which the state says students MUST study for Leaving Cert
Reekwind wrote: » "Needless to say"? Because Irish speakers are somehow less intelligent than you fancy English-speaking computer folks? Nice to see that Irish hasn't lost the stigma of being backwards and obsolete. That's proven to be one of the more lasting legacies of English rule.
Reekwind wrote: » Which is an entirely academic distinction (no pun intended). Irish is required by separate preservation law but for the vast majority of students English and Maths are equally mandatory. The fact that this requirement is not enshrined in law is absolutely irrelevant for 99% of the school population.
RandomName2 wrote: » The point was that non-Irish speakers are somehow deemed to be second class. Universities in Ireland typically offer scholarships to people who speak Irish, simply because they speak Irish.
FunLover18 wrote: I understand that but surely that makes it a separate issue. As it stands, schools make English and Maths mandatory for their students. The state makes Irish mandatory. If the state was to remove the obligation for mandatory Irish and schools continued to make it so then the situation would be comparable with English and Maths. I don't know maybe schools would still make it mandatory for their students, but at the moment (as far as I can see) they do so because the state requires it.
shane7218 wrote: Why are native Irish speakers deemed worthy of extra points for everything if they do it in Irish.
curlzy wrote: I also think it should be voluntary not mandatory. Nothing gets my back up quicker than being told I HAVE to do something
Reekwind wrote: » Let's be blunt here: anyone who believes that efforts to encourage the learning of Irish mean that "non-Irish speakers" (ie 90% [97%] of the population) have been reduced to 'second class citizens' is not thinking logically. Or at all.
RandomName2 wrote: » How about this: that people with auburn, red or ginger hair get preferential treatment in terms of college places? I mean, that sort of hair colouring is quintessentially Irish, is it not? However, we have relatively very few people with this hair type: so we should do what we can to encourage them to stay in Ireland, for others with such colouring to come here, and to at least have disincentives for them to dye their hair to another colour. The best way to do that is with hard cash, and also skewing the educational system in their favour. Also businesses with a policy of only hiring red-heads should be given grants. Sounds fair, progressive and 100% logical if you ask me.
shane7218 wrote: » These people don't seem to care about logic. Its all patriotic emotion as far as I can see because there is NO reason to keep it compulsory and a valid one has yet to be provided
Reekwind wrote: » "Needless to say"? Because Irish speakers are somehow less intelligent than you fancy English-speaking computer folks? Nice to see that Irish hasn't lost the stigma of being backwards and obsolete. That's proven to be one of the more lasting legacies of English rule. Which is an entirely academic distinction (no pun intended). Irish is required by separate preservation law but for the vast majority of students English and Maths are equally mandatory. The fact that this requirement is not enshrined in law is absolutely irrelevant for 99% of the school population.
the_monkey wrote: point is why would an Irish course get preferene to high end machines and engineering/physics didn't ?
shane7218 wrote: These people don't seem to care about logic. Its all patriotic emotion as far as I can see because there is NO reason to keep it compulsory and a valid one has yet to be provided
Reekwind wrote: » While we're asking you for nonsensical hypotheticals, don't you also feel that everyone who isn't red-headed is being horrible oppressed and reduced to the status of second class citizens by these government policies? I mean, it's practically apartheid!
partyguinness wrote: » OP.... Why don't you take all this energy and pent up anger toward LC compulsory Irish and launch a national campaign to make Irish optional? Or contact the Dept of Education and ask why Irish is compulsory. What does your local TD think about it? Or..are you just another keyboard warrior?:rolleyes:
shane7218 wrote: » Is it not ok to have a discussion on this forum without launching a national campaign?
An File wrote: » I think it's funny that you have 86 out of 563 posts in this threads, and about 80 of them just repeat what you said in the OP over and over again. It's not really a discussion. More like that .gif of the guy smashing himself into his keyboard. This little guy. http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view/257866/keyboard-smash-o.gif
shane7218 wrote: » Well you tend to repeat yourself when your trying to show people that their is no logic in keeping Irish compulsory when their isn't any reason to give except common sense.
the_monkey wrote: » Irish should be mandatory
Iwasfrozen wrote: » Irish should be compulsory because of history and culture and ... stuff. Yes history is covered in history and culture is covered in art but Irsh should still be compulsory because ... it's important ... for emh to learn a language improves cognitive abilities. Yes German and French are also languages and thus improve cognitive abilities with the added benefit of actually being useful for purposes other than being glorified pig latin but they don't teach students about their history and culture. Yes history is covered in history and culture is covered in art but Irsh should still be compulsory because it's important to learn a language to improve cognitive abilities... English and Maths are compulsory too you know!!!!! Did I get it all?
RandomName2 wrote: » Also: It will die out if it's not mandatory for the LC It's unpatriotic not to learn it for the LC. ~ I think that's the lot
Mcdonough wrote: » Let me get this straight, 1. The people who want to get rid of the Irish language hate Irish culture and history to such a great extent, that the very idea of preserving such things is a hilarious propsal to them. 2. For some reason, the fact that 97% of Irish can't even speak Irish isn't a cause for concern, and it's hysterical to think it might die out. 3. But simultaneously, we should just let it die out. 4. Actually liking your country and culture makes you a rightwing racist Nazi Hitler terrorist, and being a cool progressive means abandoning your cultural heritage in favor of England's cultural heritage. 5. It's great that the French speak French in France, and the Spanish speak Spanish in Spain, but we're not multicultural enough until we stop the Irish from speaking Irish in Ireland.
Mcdonough wrote: » 5. It's great that the French speak French in France, and the Spanish speak Spanish in Spain, but we're not multicultural enough until we stop the Irish from speaking Irish in Ireland.
