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Can we kill Irish once and for all

shane7218

I think its time to stop with the stupidity of forcing people to sit an Irish exam for the leaving cert. It's fine for the Junior but how is it fair that you have to do it for an exam that determines the college course you get ?. It's long overdue to add technology related exams such as Programming exams which are actually useful.

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auldgranny

There are dozens of people on here claiming to be fluent in French and German. Doubt they are.

ZeitgeistGlee

auldgranny wrote: »

There are dozens of people on here claiming to be fluent in French and German. Doubt they are.

When I sat my LC I was conversationally fluent and cognitively competent in French to a far greater degree than I was in Irish, logically given the length of time I studied both languages (and the documented superiority of early childhood language learning) this should not have been the case. I have likewise never had a convincing retort from mandatory LC Irish proponents as to why this is the case for myself and a good deal of others judging by threads like this (other than them agreeing the curriculum is in need of overhaul of course).

Iwasfrozen

Reindeer you are so right. I have brought shame upon my ancestors. I'm glad you came all the way from America to tell me what I should care about.

Dan_Solo

How do you embarrass a dead person?
No, there's no punchline.

Dan_Solo

auldgranny wrote: »

Said me. Honestly, sometimes an outsider's view can be quite insightful (sometimes inciteful)

And sometimes they're just a logic free stupid rant, as in this case. It's none of you or anybody else's business what my culture is or what I choose it to be. Why are books and TV shows optional then? Shouldn't they all be from a culturally approved shortlist?
Sound familiar?

shane7218

I am so sick of hearing how the Irish language is what makes us Irish. I cant speak the language, I cant do Irish Dancing, I don't know a lot of Irish history but does that mean I'm not Irish? I was born and raised in this country therefore I'm Irish I don't need a language to make me Irish.

Also don't bring god into this we don't all (myself included) have one

RandomName2

Reindeer wrote: »

I've have been visiting boards.ie since my third visa in Ireland back in 2007. Since then I have seen some truly depressing and ridiculous threads come and go.

Woo time to pull this post apart!

Reindeer wrote: »

By far, the most truly depressing one is the constant whinging about the Irish language. I've mostly been a bystander, being as I am not Irish.

You know I have some damn strong feeling about Cherokee not being taught in American schools. I am mostly a bystander, having never been in an American school... or indeed, not being American... but my uninformed opinion is more valid than that of... Americans.

Reindeer wrote: »

But, today, after reading some of the utter tripe posted herein, after paging through countless posts after posts of lazy, ignorant arguments by lazy, ignorant people, I just had to say:

Something that was not lazy, ignorant or tripe?

Reindeer wrote: »

Grow the fvck up, children.

Seems not...

Reindeer wrote: »

Your history and your culture is worth saving and worth educating yourselves about.

That would come under the category of history... wouldn't it? Or is there something I'm missing?

Reindeer wrote: »

I'm not religious, but I'd like to borrow from a saying we have in Texas

Oh Christ, here we go

Reindeer wrote: »

- You were Irish by birth, but you have the Irish language by the grace of God.

If by God, you mean the State (and you may well do).

Reindeer wrote: »

Ireland itself is simply a place mat. What makes Ireland truly Irish is the history, the art, the culture. The epitome of that culture is the language.

Sorry for you that America therefore has no culture; and a shame also that all our best artists have and continue to work in English. Or sure, Gaeilge has contributed to the depth of culture on this island... particularly in the coloquial ways in which it has effected the way in which English is spoken in Ireland... but... saying that making a subject optional in the Leaving Certificate undermines culture is pretty... weak.

Mandatory Latin, people!

Reindeer wrote: »

Over the centuries, how many were shunned simply for having the accent?

T'accent.

Heard Miley had t'accent. Caught it last Thursday and was beaten t'pulp by a bunch of Redcoats. Animals tell's ya. You best be careful now, t'accents infections like.

Reindeer wrote: »

How many Irish ancestors were beaten because they spoke it? How many died?

None...? No, seriously. Not knowing English was a serious disadvantage for people wishing to move to the Pale in early modern era, or to America/UK in the late modern era... but beaten... by whom? Why? Do you actually know anything about what you're talking about? Any educational system brought in by the English would certainly have placed no value whatsoever on the Irish language, but such civic development was largely absent until the 18th century. It's not like there were fires lit to flush the Gaeilge out of the fields!

Reindeer wrote: »

How many fought to remain Irish, and for everything that it entailed so that pathetic babies can bitch and moan on an internet forum, an IRISH forum, about having to spend a small fraction of their lives educating themselves with their own culture and history?

One thousand, three hundred hours apparently (but whose counting?) Wait... are you saying that this freedom to bitch on an IRISH forum is a good or bad thing? Should such freedom be revoked?

Reindeer wrote: »

How pathetic is it that some jackass from Texas has to stand up and tell you all to stop being little b!tches.

Well... you got one part of that sentence right.

Reindeer wrote: »

You embarrass your ancestors, and I am embarrassed and ashamed for you. Now shut the hell up, grow the hell up, go back to your damn lessons, and maybe push some of that ignorance and laziness back into the pissy little baby closet where it came from.

I am embarrassed and ashamed for you that you still don't know Cherokee.

Iwasfrozen

RandomName2 wrote: »

I am embarrassed and ashamed for you that you still don't know Cherokee.

Well hang on there Random, maybe Reindeer identifies more with his Pueblo or Mesoamerican ancestors?

One thing is for certain he definitely can't be white. This is a guy grounded in the history of his country.

auldgranny

Reindeer don't mind them

ZeitgeistGlee

auldgranny wrote: »

Reindeer don't mind them

Yeah, really annoying when people logically refute someone's argument to the point it's basically worthless, I mean what kind of people do that in a discussion thread? :rolleyes:

auldgranny

ZeitgeistGlee wrote: »

Yeah, really annoying when people logically refute someone's argument to the point it's basically worthless, I mean what kind of people do that in a discussion thread? :rolleyes:

Worthless? Really?

shane7218

auldgranny wrote: »

Worthless? Really?

Yes

shruikan2553

I find it odd how people view Irish culture as something you learn, not live.

auldgranny

shane7218 wrote: »

Yes

I do thuairim féin.

shane7218

auldgranny wrote: »

I do thuairim féin.

Sorry, I only speak English and some French.

FloatingVoter

I've just taken the Irish language out back and shot it. But it died well. We did some coke and had some hookers in before I did what the Irish language asked of me. RIP. Peig Sayers and Ernest Hemingway are working on the treatment.

Frank Lee Midere

ZeitgeistGlee wrote: »

Yeah, really annoying when people logically refute someone's argument to the point it's basically worthless, I mean what kind of people do that in a discussion thread? :rolleyes:

All attacks on reindeer were ad hominen.

Funny - he is a Native American as far as I know. Yet the intelligentsia posting in this thread couldn't manage a search.

Frank Lee Midere

shane7218 wrote: »

Sorry, I only speak English and some French.

You only speak some English.

mick kk

I don't know if this has been said already but taking the exam is not mandatory. You don't have to turn up for the exam. If you don't do it, then it simply doesn't appear on your results....what should change is the requirement for many third level courses to have a D in Irish.

Frank Lee Midere

auldgranny wrote: »

There are dozens of people on here claiming to be fluent in French and German. Doubt they are.

They are masters of all languages but Irish. Because Irish was pushed down their throats. Otherwise they are geniuses at language. All studies which should there is a general corration between the ability to learn all languages and general intelligence need to be abandoned in this thread.

Iwasfrozen

Frank Lee Midere wrote: »

All attacks on reindeer were ad hominen.

Funny - he is a Native American as far as I know. Yet the intelligentsia posting in this thread couldn't manage a search.

Reindeer is Amerindian? oh that is so cool my view of him has totally gone up a level.

Frank Lee Midere

mick kk wrote: »

I don't know if this has been said already but taking the exam is not mandatory. You don't have to turn up for the exam. If you don't do it, then it simply doesn't appear on your results....what should change is the requirement for many third level courses to have a D in Irish.

True. Not that anybody who couldn't muster up a D in Irish or any subject should be going to university.

131spanner

mick kk wrote: »

What should change is the requirement for many third level courses to have a D in Irish.

A D in pass Irish is by all means achievable, even in honours it's well within the average students reach.

Admittedly, that's beside the point of whether or not it should be optional, of course.

shane7218

Frank Lee Midere wrote: »

True. Not that anybody who couldn't muster up a D in Irish or any subject should be going to university.

Yeah because Irish defines your intelligence no matter what you want to do in life. If you struggle at it you must be an idiot not worth allowing into university :rolleyes:

Dan_Solo

Frank Lee Midere wrote: »

All attacks on reindeer were ad hominen.

Funny - he is a Native American as far as I know. Yet the intelligentsia posting in this thread couldn't manage a search.

LOL, play the ad hominem card, see if it sticks!
Nope, his **** post has been dismantled utterly.

auldgranny

shane7218 wrote: »

Sorry, I only speak English and some French.

Some French. Not fluent in it? After CHOOSING to study it?

shane7218

Frank Lee Midere wrote: »

You only speak some English.

So you make fun of my dyslexia instead of making a logical argument. :rolleyes:

shane7218

auldgranny wrote: »

Some French. Not fluent in it? After CHOOSING to study it?

Yeah, why is that a problem ?

auldgranny

shane7218 wrote: »

Yeah because Irish defines your intelligence no matter what you want to do in life. If you struggle at it you must be an idiot not worth allowing into university :rolleyes:

Did you even understand his post?

auldgranny

shane7218 wrote: »

Yeah, why is that a problem ?

Well you chose to study French, not fluent
Were forced to study Irish, not fluent

Your reason to make Irish optional again?