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Tom Joad

willabur wrote: »

I was at the game on Saturday and a few things looked plainly obvious to me.
- First and most importantly was that the players looked knackered, they looked absolutely shattered a pale shadow of the players we know that they are. Case in point is Gearoid who lacked any drive from midfield and was lost out there on Saturday. Was he rushed back too quickly from injury? People say that he hasn't played due to the injury so should be fresh but the recovery from that kind of injury is gonna be tough both mentally and physically.
- Just 5 players that started Vs Kerry started on Saturday. No team in the land could deal with that kind of turnover (possibly the dubs)
- We need to change our approach. Not a root and branch change but the players look paralyzed with fear for turning over possession. We are playing without a half forward line and it is not sustainable as our inside forwards are not sharp enough. Jack Brady looked woefully out of his depth on Saturday but I have seen him play well and he has played well when the forward line has a more natural shape to it

On the first, they have looked stale for a while - was so much emphasis put on the league and getting promoted that they peaked too early and were knackered come championship?

On Gearoid - don't forget he was only back when he got injured again which didn't help his preparation for the championship and he looked to be struggling to get to the pace off the game at times - at his best he was worth 2-3 points bombing forward from midfield - hopefully he will be back to that for next year.

Would agree that we need to change things. For me Jack Brady hasn't done it in a county jersey - I think we are a better team when Niall McDermott is playing off Keating and Dunne in a two man forward line but we do need to find a few more forwards from somewhere.

willabur

I was at the game on Saturday and a few things looked plainly obvious to me.
- First and most importantly was that the players looked knackered, they looked absolutely shattered a pale shadow of the players we know that they are. Case in point is Gearoid who lacked any drive from midfield and was lost out there on Saturday. Was he rushed back too quickly from injury? People say that he hasn't played due to the injury so should be fresh but the recovery from that kind of injury is gonna be tough both mentally and physically.
- Just 5 players that started Vs Kerry started on Saturday. No team in the land could deal with that kind of turnover (possibly the dubs)
- We need to change our approach. Not a root and branch change but the players look paralyzed with fear for turning over possession. We are playing without a half forward line and it is not sustainable as our inside forwards are not sharp enough. Jack Brady looked woefully out of his depth on Saturday but I have seen him play well and he has played well when the forward line has a more natural shape to it

Tom Joad

No one is suggesting they are happy with the performance on Saturday but that's a world away from saying things are as bad as they ever were - that's just ludicrous. Do you not remember how bad things were with Cavan football over the last twenty years.

It's not helped by the complete crap posted on internet forums about the team and the management. We've done the sack the manager - get a new lad in over and over again and it doesn't work. Also the complete unsubstantiated rubbish that is posted about rows in the camp and players walking away doesn't help things.

All is not perfect but there has been a lot of mitigating circumstances this year with injuries etc. Btw Keating is in Dublin and hasn't played any club football this year - Givney likewise has played damn all and is trying to get a transfer back to Cavan now. None of this helps.

The system does need to be tweaked (as Donegal did in 2012) there is no doubt about that and the lack of quality forwards coming through is a worry but I've still no doubt that Terry Hyland is the right man for the job and now the mess of the minor team has been sorted (hopefully) we will start producing success at minor level.

Just because we've had a poor year doesn't mean we need to throw the baby out with the bath water to appease the keyboard warriors.

The real issues that need to be sorted out is the club championship in the county which is the real issue in hampering player development and ensuring that last years messing that went on with the minor team never happens again.

celt262

I'm entitled to my opinion the same as anyone else.

If you guys are happy with the Cavan performances through out the league and championship it is not hard to please you. As i said previous the style of football Cavan play will not beat the better teams and just about got us over the line in Division 3.

We don't have a clue how to break down a blanket defense or attack quickly, Roscommon gave a lesson on how to do all that Saturday evening.

People have been harping on about the strength in debt in the panel but it's obvious now that it isn't there.

Keating and Givney have missed feck all club football as there has only been a couple played in the ACFL so that doesn't account for poor form.

Yes we need a few forwards to come through at under 21 level but at least the structures have now been put in place to ensure that the players will be developed.

It's my worry that the the development of the players is not being done correctly. It looks like players are being encouraged to retain possession rather than shoot with only certain players allowed to shoot. Last Saturday Argue and Brady were the only players from the previous 5 U-21 teams who lined out in the forwards. There must have been 20 forwards from them 5 teams, where are they now?

We are developing forwards who will work hard and tackle back not one's who will put the ball over the bar.

Lemlin

Tom Joad wrote: »

What a load of tosh. No county let alone one with Cavan's limited resources could sustain the level of injuries/ players missing that we had this year. Yes it's been disappointing but to sad things are as bad as they ever were is complete crap. Add in to all the injuries the lack of football Givney and Keating have had with the messing at club level. Gearoid McKiernan needs another year to get back fit as well. Division 2 football will bring the team on again and there are another bunch of good minors and under 21s coming through. If anything Cavan football has never been as healthy.

Yes we need a few forwards to come through at under 21 level but at least the structures have now been put in place to ensure that the players will be developed.

As with other forums Tom, you'll always have naysayers posting negative crap. The poster above was even negative throughout the league where we hadn't lost a game in 7 and also tried to say David Givney had been kicked off the panel. As with the above re Mackey, that was complete crap.

We have Division 2 football for the first time in years and made the McKenna Cup final. The championship has been a disaster but you'd have to hope this will make the team rather than break it.

Alot of people calling to change the manager again but as we saw a few years back 4 or 5 managers in 6 or 7 years doesn't work.

Tom Joad

celt262 wrote: »

Things are as bad as they ever were. Im not convinced that things would have been any different if we had the players that are missing.

Our star player walked away during the week and there are rumours that he has been misbehaving.

4 Ulster u21's and we haven't a midfielder or dangerous forward its not looking good.

What a load of tosh. No county let alone one with Cavan's limited resources could sustain the level of injuries/ players missing that we had this year. Yes it's been disappointing but to sad things are as bad as they ever were is complete crap. Add in to all the injuries the lack of football Givney and Keating have had with the messing at club level. Gearoid McKiernan needs another year to get back fit as well. Division 2 football will bring the team on again and there are another bunch of good minors and under 21s coming through. If anything Cavan football has never been as healthy.

Yes we need a few forwards to come through at under 21 level but at least the structures have now been put in place to ensure that the players will be developed.

Lemlin

celt262 wrote: »

Our star player walked away during the week and there are rumours that he has been misbehaving.

It has been well known that he wouldn't be fit to feature. He hasn't been training for club or county.

I haven't heard anything about him walking away. I did however hear on Thursday he wouldn't be fit to feature even in the 26 man panel.

celt262

Things are as bad as they ever were. Im not convinced that things would have been any different if we had the players that are missing.

Our star player walked away during the week and there are rumours that he has been misbehaving.

4 Ulster u21's and we haven't a midfielder or dangerous forward its not looking good.

Lemlin

nice_guy80 wrote: »

when did a successful senior football team ever consist of getting 14 lads behind the ball??

Donegal won Ulster and got to an All Ireland semi final in 2011. I'd take that!

tanko wrote: »

Hard to know what to say about that. The loss of players like Clarke, Mackey, Dunne etc was too much to cope with. Jason McLoughlin was the only cavan player to play well. Serious rethink needed on the style of play. After last year other counties have worked us out. Roscommon are miles ahead of us.

List of missing players tonight:

Alan O'Mara
Rory Dunne
Killian Clarke
Dara McVeety
Ronan Flanagan
Martin Dunne
Cian Mackey
Kevin Tierney

3 of our 4 Ulster All Stars from last year, our full back and our most experienced player all missing.

We were poor but it has to be taken into account that our key performers were missing. I think a lesson needs to be learned about rushing players back from injury tbh, both by the county and clubs.

My only hope now is that we'll regroup for Division 2 next year. I had hoped these dark days of drubbings in Breffni were behind us after last year but we can add this one to Longford in 2011 and Kildare in 2012.

nice_guy80

tanko wrote: »

It has been very successful at u-21 level for the last four years but football at senior level is constantly evolving and has moved on from that style of play.

when did a successful senior football team ever consist of getting 14 lads behind the ball??

tanko

nice_guy80 wrote: »

As I said before, you get nowhere by having defensive systems at minor and under 21. It develops players with a limited range of skills abilities

It has been very successful at u-21 level for the last four years but football at senior level is constantly evolving and has moved on from that style of play.

nice_guy80

As I said before, you get nowhere by having defensive systems at minor and under 21. It develops players with a limited range of skills abilities

tanko

Hard to know what to say about that. The loss of players like Clarke, Mackey, Dunne etc was too much to cope with. Jason McLoughlin was the only cavan player to play well. Serious rethink needed on the style of play. After last year other counties have worked us out. Roscommon are miles ahead of us.

celt262

A bit of advise for anyone going to game today or indeed going into Cavan town over next few weeks.

Use the Eastern access road (behind aldi) and park in multi story if you need to go into town. Road works on Farnham street and only one lane open so long delays!

Lemlin

cavan4sam wrote: »

yeah and maybe jack brady making way because we could do with an extra pair of hands around midfield , we didnt get a lot in croke park in midfield against them

You'd have to hope that Argue will change that. I do think we will need a third big man around midfield so that's why I think we will see Givney.

Roscommon used Donie Shine well in the League final by dropping him out to give extra cover at kick outs and I'd imagine they'll have someone lined up to do the same again.

tayto lover

cavan4sam wrote: »

yeah and maybe jack brady making way because we could do with an extra pair of hands around midfield , we didnt get a lot in croke park in midfield against them

Cavan need to crowd midfield and not give Roscommon a platform to build on. If you can get 50% of the breaks around the middle then I think you can win.

cavan4sam

Lemlin wrote: »

Yep, full team.

Conor Gilsenan; Jason McLoughlin, Rory Dunne, Feargal Flanagan; Joshua Hayes, James McEnroe, Robert Maloney-Derham; Damien O'Reilly, Gearoid McKiernan; Michael Argue, Michael Lyng, Niall McDermott; Jack Brady, Eugene Keating, Martin Reilly.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Givney in yet.

yeah and maybe jack brady making way because we could do with an extra pair of hands around midfield , we didnt get a lot in croke park in midfield against them

Lemlin

cavan4sam wrote: »

spot on , flanagan in and brady out , also givney out and keating in

Yep, full team.

Conor Gilsenan; Jason McLoughlin, Rory Dunne, Feargal Flanagan; Joshua Hayes, James McEnroe, Robert Maloney-Derham; Damien O'Reilly, Gearoid McKiernan; Michael Argue, Michael Lyng, Niall McDermott; Jack Brady, Eugene Keating, Martin Reilly.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Givney in yet.

cavan4sam

Lemlin wrote: »

The team was released on the Thursday before the last qualifier so we might see an announcement tomorrow.

I'd expect Fergal Flanagan to regain his place, possibly at the expense of Killian Brady. Other than that, I can't see any changes.

spot on , flanagan in and brady out , also givney out and keating in

Lemlin

tanko wrote: »

I'd drop Joshua Hayes before gunner, Hayes looked lost against Westmeath.

I thought Hayes did alright. He's better in the corner than half back line anyway.

tanko

I'd drop Joshua Hayes before gunner, Hayes looked lost against Westmeath.

Lemlin

The team was released on the Thursday before the last qualifier so we might see an announcement tomorrow.

I'd expect Fergal Flanagan to regain his place, possibly at the expense of Killian Brady. Other than that, I can't see any changes.

Lemlin

celt262 wrote: »

That isn't bad would have suited better at 7 but alot better than 3.

Yep, 6 is a grand time. Suits me anyway. Town will be alot quieter then.

celt262

munchkin_utd wrote: »

from county board facebook
"Cavan v Roscommon All Ireland Qualifier has been fixed for this Saturday 12th July at 6pm in Kingspan Breffni Park."

That isn't bad would have suited better at 7 but alot better than 3.

munchkin_utd

from county board facebook
"Cavan v Roscommon All Ireland Qualifier has been fixed for this Saturday 12th July at 6pm in Kingspan Breffni Park."

manutd

Game will not be live on rte or sky. Tipp v Offaly & Wexford v Clare on rte/ sky. Maybe if the clare/wexford game was not a draw, they would show Cavan v ros. With the 12th, Tyrone v Armagh will be on Sunday.

Syferus

Lemlin wrote: »

The WC third place play off will be on but not until 9.

Like RTE, I don't take the 3rd Place Play-Off seriously :pac:

Might record it just to watch the Apres Match analysis.

Lemlin

Syferus wrote: »

With the WC not on I don't mind if it's 3 or 5 but I hope it's not 7 because we have a Connacht minor final at 12pm on Sunday in Castlebar. RTE and Sky have a qualifier to show on Saturday so if it's live it can only be 5 or 7.

The WC third place play off will be on but not until 9.

Syferus

Lemlin wrote: »

I want it later. I've a function to attend at 2. Will only make the second half if I'm lucky if its at 3.

With the WC not on I don't mind if it's 3 or 5 but I hope it's not 7 because we have a Connacht minor final at 12pm on Sunday in Castlebar. RTE and Sky have a qualifier to show on Saturday so if it's live it can only be 5 or 7.

Lemlin

Syferus wrote: »

The word on the grapevine is 3pm. Really don't want any latter with the WC final on that evening.

I want it later. I've a function to attend at 2. Will only make the second half if I'm lucky if its at 3.