HardLuckWoman wrote: » That doesn't make sense. Do three and come back again and do two. Im sick of it at this stage. They have taken the fun out of it all. And as for the all 5 or nothing. He was always for the fans and anyone with a ticket should get to see him. I dont know what way things are done in the US but they sue over everything so they would get licences before and not after. But this isnt the USA either and its our planning laws here and dcc granted three. He should cop on (but I still love him).
Cancelled concerts could spell the end for Aiken Promotions The promoter of Garth Brooks Croke Park concerts says the singer “won’t back down” from his pledge to play five concerts or none. Speaking to ‘The Business’ on RTÉ Radio this morning, Peter Aiken of Aiken Promotions said that when he asked Brooks to consider playing three shows, the country star told him: “You know how I feel.” Aiken added: “I don’t think he’ll back down.” The promoter said that he has no insurance - as you cannot get insurance without a licence - and therefore his company is set to incur seven-figure costs “easy”, if all five shows are cancelled.
miju wrote: » At this stage given the quotes below it's no longer just about Garth Brooks, this will ruin a viable profitable company together with the hundreds of casual jobs they give people through the year as well as tax paid to the government.
hynesie08 wrote: » And we were the scaremongerers for saying the gigs might not get a license?
The_Morrigan wrote: » Just to point out a lot of the 'casual jobs' are filled by unpaid interns (graduates) college students on work placements and volunteers rather than paid staff. The paid staff are mostly made up of contract work to other event management companies (health and safety, security, lighting, sound etc) or drinks companies & local businesses who do the food/drink for events. There is a serious misconception on the jobs created by these events and festivals.
miju wrote: » It's not scaremongering if you understand how the industry works here and abroad its simple fact, whether Garth plays the gigs or not he is still getting paid.
Zardoz wrote: » If the gigs are moved to October they would be a far better spectacle provided the weather is decent as it will be dark for the entire duration of the gig so the lighting effects will be far superior.This makes for a far better atmosphere . The big problem with outdoor gigs in Ireland at this time of the year is that its bright until ten .
hynesie08 wrote: » And does he get paid if he just refuses to play? Don't Aiken have insurance for the first 3 nights? Won't most of the staff only get paid if they work the gigs?
hynesie08 wrote: » I have no doubt aiken will lose money from this (I'm guessing €6-8 million) But it won't be enough to sink them.
hynesie08 wrote: » Hmmmmmmmmm.......... Thunder rolls with actual thunder would be awesome.
miju wrote: » Sorry so the casual workers by these health and safety, drinks, engineering, stage crews, lighting, food, security are not all real jobs??? As for volunteers, the only volunteers working at a gig are St. John Ambulance, Red Cross etc and even then their units and the organisation gets paid handsomely and use it a serious source of income for training and equipment and thats not including the Event Medic companies on top of that. News to me given I have worked at them for years and see the same faces who rotate amongst all the gigs in this country. Just because a person does 2 days in Croke Park doesnt mean then after that they arent working in Marley Park and then the O2 and RDS as well. It's casual because its no set guarentee of hours / work. Getting very tired of people talking about things they know nothing about on this thread
Zardoz wrote: » No,no it wouldnt unless you are a masochist who likes to get soaked
The_Morrigan wrote: » I volunteer at events all over the country, gigs, festivals, parades, sports, cultural events
miju wrote: » At this stage given the quotes below it's no longer just about Garth Brooks, this will ruin a viable profitable company together with the hundreds of casual jobs they give people through the year as well as tax paid to the government. Cancelled concerts could spell the end for Aiken Promotions The promoter of Garth Brooks Croke Park concerts says the singer “won’t back down” from his pledge to play five concerts or none. Speaking to ‘The Business’ on RTÉ Radio this morning, Peter Aiken of Aiken Promotions said that when he asked Brooks to consider playing three shows, the country star told him: “You know how I feel.” Aiken added: “I don’t think he’ll back down.” The promoter said that he has no insurance - as you cannot get insurance without a licence - and therefore his company is set to incur seven-figure costs “easy”, if all five shows are cancelled.
miju wrote: » He will get paid because it's breach of contract its 3 not 5, NO PROMOTER can get insurance for events UNTIL licenses are granted. And yes staff will only get paid if they work the gigs, no gigs = no jobs = no pay
How much money do you think Aiken have do you know? I will tell you at the end of 2103 they had €4.27m in cash. Going by your figures that would indeed sink them and leave them in the red to the tune of at least €1.73m
hynesie08 wrote: » Neither of us have seen the contract so it's pure speculation to say that.
hynesie08 wrote: » They got the license for 3 gigs so they should get insurance for 3 gigs. It's not no jobs, It's 2-5 days less work.
hynesie08 wrote: » And what profits have they made this year on top of that? In 50+ years of promoting have they never been in the red?
hynesie08 wrote: » They got the license for 3 gigs so they should get insurance for 3 gigs.
miju wrote: » It's industry standard in contracts
ghostdancer wrote: » given that Brooks has said 5 or nothing, plus the residents threatening to go to the High Court to stop all of them, no insurance company with any sense would touch these at present.
OK so you are insurance provider. Mr. Aiken rings you up on Monday looking for insurance for the 3 gigs at Croker, in your risk assessment as an insurer knowing there is a large possibility that all are not going ahead will you be insuring him?
Not to the tune of €2m odd no. Sometimes people just dont want to hear basic common sense and facts and aren't satisfied no matter what :rolleyes:
munstermagic11 wrote: » They are in the industry, and they can set the contracts. Aiken knew it was unlikely that they would get a licence for all 5 dates, yet they proceeded upon that risky assumption. In doing so they have disappointed the fans by building up expectation, sold tickets to gigs that were unlikely to occur, went into a contract (without anyone holding a gun tot heir head) with GB on dates they couldn't guarantee, and placed themselves in financial trouble.
miju wrote: » Spoken truely like someone who has never been involved in these type of events
munstermagic11 wrote: » True, I'm not. Yet I could see that this coming from the start. And at least I'm not pretending that I'm involved in it.
miju wrote: » Looks like 5 nights might going ahead afterall thanks to SF seeing as how they are in control of the council after last eleectionshttp://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/sinn-fein-to-table-emergency-motion-on-garth-brooks-concerts-635450.html
