Praetorian wrote: » I can't see them do a widespread rollout of FTTH for at least 5 years. What do others think? Their Vdsl is really good.
zerks wrote: » ????? €32 pm for unlimited Fibre atm. with Vodafone.
Impetus wrote: » There are at the very least two strategic mistakes here: 1) There is no competitive choice of carrier/service provider over the largely state provided fibre infrastructure, which is illegal under EU law - you ejits have to use Vodafone. Zero competition = high prices for this service or you boy thumb a lift on the highway. Fibre can carry dozens of competitors to the remotest point in the country. 2) Vodafone is a British company, subject to British / DCHQ /NSA snooping regulations (whether Vodafone wishes to participate or not), much of which does not comply with EU data privacy legislation. 3) Not to mention bundleization – if you have a vodafone mobile and Vodafone other services are available at 20% of normal price, or whatever they decide. How do their competitors survive? How dumb can Ireland get? The state invests billions in a fibre backbone (via ESB assets) and gives it to only one provider exclusively, especially one based in “the five eyes” NSA land. Has the Minister responsible ever heard of Edward Snowden, or honest government or competition, or what planet does he live on? The government has allowed eircom to go down the tubes, multiple times. And now the new infrastructure is about to be controlled by people who seem to want to engage in war with much of the world (ie “brown” people) and monitor the so called free speech of “white” people. No thank you. It would be difficult to conceive of a more anti Irish, anti-developing world anti oil producing world… "game". What favours have the representatives who work for gov.ie received for this “concession” please?
Manc Red wrote: » So what are the next steps for ESB and Vodafone? I.e. what kind of infrastructure do they need to install? If I ordered it today, what would they need to do? Would they install a fibre wire and if so, do they need to dig up the ground? How is the fibre wire brought into the house? Does the service require cabinets? Is the service limited by distance? (I know fibre isn't but how far out of the towns will they be able to install it?) Will all houses in the mentioned areas be able to receive the service?
murphaph wrote: » Jesus man read the thread a bit before going off on one. The JV network will be owned & managed by the JV (ESB + Vodafone) BUT will be open to other operators at wholesale rates in the SAME WAY that Eircom's network is open to other operators already (bitstream renting). If you think only the likes of Vodafone have government snooping boxes on their premises then think again. Anyway, when you use the internet your data doesn't stay on your ISP's network!! Really if you are worried about governments listening in on your online activity then you may as well just stop using the net. Your choice of ISP is almost irrelevant! In fairness to Vodafone they have been the most forthright in telling us all what things are like inside these networks.
murphaph wrote: » The constitution is just a bit of paper. The US has one too.
Impetus wrote: » Vodafone is not a US company. I know of no other country in "the West" where constitutional rights are ignored, or do not exist at all - aside from USA and GB, je regrette de d'ire.
Impetus wrote: » There are at the very least two strategic mistakes here: 1) There is no competitive choice of carrier/service provider over the largely state provided fibre infrastructure, which is illegal under EU law - you ejits have to use Vodafone. Zero competition = high prices for this service or you boy thumb a lift on the highway. Fibre can carry dozens of competitors to the remotest point in the country.2) Vodafone is a British company, subject to British / DCHQ /NSA snooping regulations (whether Vodafone wishes to participate or not), much of which does not comply with EU data privacy legislation. 3) Not to mention bundleization – if you have a vodafone mobile and Vodafone other services are available at 20% of normal price, or whatever they decide. How do their competitors survive? How dumb can Ireland get? The state invests billions in a fibre backbone (via ESB assets) and gives it to only one provider exclusively, especially one based in “the five eyes” NSA land. Has the Minister responsible ever heard of Edward Snowden, or honest government or competition, or what planet does he live on? The government has allowed eircom to go down the tubes, multiple times. And now the new infrastructure is about to be controlled by people who seem to want to engage in war with much of the world (ie “brown” people) and monitor the so called free speech of “white” people. No thank you. It would be difficult to conceive of a more anti Irish, anti-developing world anti oil producing world… "game". What favours have the representatives who work for gov.ie received for this “concession” please?
MajesticDonkey wrote: » And tell me, what happens when packets leave your computer and travel to a server in the US, or do you just visit sites hosted in Ireland?
Mr. G wrote: » Look at the main providers in the country: UPC - Owned by Liberty Global (UK HQ) O2 - Hutchison Whampoa (Hong Kong) Meteor, eMobile, Eircom - Australian firm I think Tesco Mobile - UK Most of the above are foreign owned. Technically speaking, since Australia are an ally to the US, the NSA could force Eircom to do wire taps. That goes for broadband connections too. Even looking at SSL encryption, SHA-2 was ironically designed by the NSA and is very commonly used on encrypted websites across the world, banks etc. I think it's irrelevant to be honest. If they want to get access to information they will find a way. I agree that the Govt need to tighten laws on how wire taps are allowed. Who else could do FTTH more effectively than Vodafone and ESB Networks? I can't think of any.
Impetus wrote: » UPC "Liberty" is a US company (John Malone) - who is building a wall to wall monopoly buying up cable operators in Europe.... While Three (who is taking over 02 is Chinese) they are still heavily plugged into the BT network. O2 was owned by BT, then Telefonica (Spain was involved in the war against Iraq etc) . Three outsourced their Irish network to BT. So the entire Three Ireland plan is contaminated. Tesco has no network - they are virtual - but that doesn't stop them feeding C7 stuff (your minute by minute movements and calls to) DCHQ. Eircom was controlled by a Singapore company of late, who seem to be trying to "IPO" or re-IPO it again. If FTTH becomes open, there is no reason why a zillion movie channels, ISPs, phone services etc would not want to use the platform. Video on demand, live streaming, etc. Home security / monitoring. Fire alarms, Google and Netflix and others would want to plug directly into it - which would mean youtube and Netflix 4K TV now. The options are endless if the platform is open. Just like the internet - anyone who wishes to set up a website can do it in a few mins. This gives rise to lots of spam, but lots of useful stuff too. More work for search engines to separate the wheat from the chaff etc...
ED E wrote: » I dont think theyve published the physical topology yet. Right now the ESB has fibre to most of its distribution points, at least the big ones. So a town could have a 38kV substation(I think thats the norm with the smaller ones being 10kV) where the existing terminations are. They then need to bring this out to distribution points in the last mile and run drops to homes. This probably means wrapping fibre on existing lower voltage lines(like the ones running between street lights) and breaking off frequencies at points along these runs. These points would then feed down to the ONT in the house, which connects to your modem. Done. Whether they'll run that along existing mains feeds to the eave of a house, where they are above ground, or just run all in underground subducting I dont know. Whatever the case is, the ESB will have a plan, but it will involve work. Just like an area newly getting UPC there will be contractors coming in digging, laying and fitting lines. It wont be the 2hr eFibre upgrade. But the effort will be worth it.
