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Lolek Ltd, Trading as 'The Iona Institute'

lazygal

Does anyone know anything about this organisation? Where it is funded from and by whom? Who runs it? Why it gets such a platform? I've been digging around a bit but its very difficult to find out anything about it.

I'm also mystified as to why David Quinn appears so often representing a relatively new body which seems to be largly self-appointed and why he is allowed such a platform.

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Cabaal

lazygal wrote: »

http://vimeo.com/m/95878089

They have a funky new video explaining all the things they want to control. They're interdenominational! For Christians only though.

Funny really,
How they say they wanted a mother and fathers love where ever possible, but for decades Ireland was happy to sell off baby's...whenever possible.

Guess they are all for religion being pushed in society...as long as its the right kind of religion. Doubt they'd be so happy with this line is suddenly a very large Muslim lobby group started in Ireland and a number of schools were changed to Muslim ethos which in turn affected "christian" parents when bringing their kids to school.

Delirium

lazygal wrote: »

http://vimeo.com/m/95878089

They have a funky new video explaining all the things they want to control. They're interdenominational! For Christians only though.

interdenominational while only espousing policies that align with the Roman Catholic church. :rolleyes:

Christy42

Curious as to how simply stopping life support wouldn't be a natural death (with the person's express permission of course) aren't we keeping these people alive unnaturally?

lazygal

Christy42 wrote: »

Curious as to how simply stopping life support wouldn't be a natural death (with the person's express permission of course) aren't we keeping these people alive unnaturally?

Taking an aspirin is unnatural. Having a c section instead of a vaginal birth is unnatural. Undergoing chemo is unnatural. Suffering and offering it up and dying a slow, painful death? Natural!

robindch

Pope Francis and the future of the Church in Ireland

Saturday, October 4, Red Cow Moran Hotel, Naas Road, Dublin, Ireland Dublin 22

A conference looking at Pope Francis and his impact on the reform and renewal of the Church in Ireland including Mary Kenny, Breda O'Brien, Nuala O'Loan, papal biographer Austen Ivereigh, David Quinn, Abbot Mark-Patrick Hederman, Trócaire's Eamonn Meehan, Fr Tom Norris and David Quinn

https://www.facebook.com/events/1533902610155641/

Odd to see the liberal Mark-Patrick Hederman share a stage with the leaders of today's RCC. No sniggering at the name of the hotel, please.

Skrynesaver

Can't imagine our dear friends in Lolek Ltd. would be overly keen on the attitude of the current incumbent to marriage, divorce etc...

He seems to be prioritising issues of social justice over personal morality (damned pinko)

Delirium

robindch wrote: »

Pope Francis and the future of the Church in Ireland

Saturday, October 4, Red Cow Moran Hotel, Naas Road, Dublin, Ireland Dublin 22

A conference looking at Pope Francis and his impact on the reform and renewal of the Church in Ireland including Mary Kenny, Breda O'Brien, Nuala O'Loan, papal biographer Austen Ivereigh, David Quinn, Abbot Mark-Patrick Hederman, Trócaire's Eamonn Meehan, Fr Tom Norris and David Quinn

https://www.facebook.com/events/1533902610155641/

Odd to see the liberal Mark-Patrick Hederman share a stage with the leaders of today's RCC. No sniggering at the name of the hotel, please.

They're multiplying!! :eek::P:P

Cabaal

SW wrote: »

They're multiplying!! :eek::P:P

But if they clone him, does that mean he has two souls or they've merely split his soul in half?

Mr. CooL ICE

robindch wrote: »

Mary Kenny, Breda O'Brien, Nuala O'Loan, papal biographer Austen Ivereigh, David Quinn, Abbot Mark-Patrick Hederman, Trócaire's Eamonn Meehan, Fr Tom Norris and David Quinn

Such a wretched hive of scum and villainy

Bannasidhe

SW wrote: »

They're multiplying!! :eek::P:P

Clones have a right to life as they are unique human beings and.... oh....

Delirium

Cabaal wrote: »

But if they clone him, does that mean he has two souls or they've merely split his soul in half?

some would remind you that zero divided by two is still zero.:pac:

SebBerkovich

SW wrote: »

some would remind you that zero divided by two is still zero.:pac:

I think i remember hearing that it actually equals 9.... Teach the controversy!

Brian Shanahan

Skrynesaver wrote: »

Can't imagine our dear friends in Lolek Ltd. would be overly keen on the attitude of the current incumbent to marriage, divorce etc...

He seems to be prioritising issues of social justice over personal morality (damned pinko)

He's just seeming to be a compassionate old codger to lull the rest of us into the false belief that the rcc has changed its shorts (to use the phrase of Terry Pratchett). Underneath the huggy-wuggy lovey-dovey pope beats the heart of of a criminal-protecting, authoritarian fundamentalist who wants the church put back on the high pedestal of power and respect it once undeservedly occupied, and, who, despite all protestations to the contrary, still has many unanswered questions over his involvement, both personally and as a religious head, with a vicious murdering fascist dictatorship.

eyescreamcone

Brian Shanahan wrote: »

He's just seeming to be a compassionate old codger to lull the rest of us into the false belief that the rcc has changed its shorts (to use the phrase of Terry Pratchett). Underneath the huggy-wuggy lovey-dovey pope beats the heart of of a criminal-protecting, authoritarian fundamentalist who wants the church put back on the high pedestal of power and respect it once undeservedly occupied, and, who, despite all protestations to the contrary, still has many unanswered questions over his involvement, both personally and as a religious head, with a vicious murdering fascist dictatorship.

Santo Subito :rolleyes:

Pherekydes

robindch wrote: »

...Mary Kenny, Breda O'Brien, Nuala O'Loan, papal biographer Austen Ivereigh, David Quinn, Abbot Mark-Patrick Hederman, Trócaire's Eamonn Meehan, Fr Tom Norris and David Quinn

I wonder will they have "balancing" opinions present?

lazygal

Pherekydes wrote: »

I wonder will they have "balancing" opinions present?

There's two Mighty Quinns. What more balance do you want?

robindch

lazygal wrote: »

There's two Mighty Quinns. What more balance do you want?

I hold out some vague hope that the Mighty Mark might try to bring some little balance to the world's Bredas and Davids, or at least some humor.

It's not the first time that Mark Patrick has showed up here on boards, nor indeed is it the first time that Glenstal has been associated here in A+A with more liberal types.

Hotblack Desiato

robindch wrote: »

Mary Kenny

Wonder if she'll be "discussing Uganda" ?

robindch

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

Wonder if she'll be "discussing Uganda" ?

Been trying for years to reintroduce that expression, especially since Ms Kenny reinvented herself as the church's (fundamentalist) answer to Barbara Cartland:

Nodin

Another phone extension in the new HQ.....

http://www.broadsheet.ie/2014/09/30/uncles-dont-matter/

PopePalpatine

One commenter said it best:

They should probably be mass phoning the nuns to make them hand over the details of adopted children's parentage so.

Nodin

Mullen strikes again. There really needs to be a campaign to get him out at the next Seanad election.
http://www.broadsheet.ie/2014/10/08/ruh-ro/

Nodin

Loyal to the church...until the church changes its mind?

"The discussion document produced by the synod on family issues in the Vatican was not reflective of all the opinions expressed at the gathering of bishops and cardinals, David Quinn, director of Christian organisation the Iona Institute said yesterday.

“A lot of people are annoyed at the document and what was in it,” Mr Quinn said. “It’s an extremely tentative and provisional document. It does not summarise the opinions of a lot of the participants at the synod,” he said.
“It’s not even close to being the final word. There will be another summary done at the end of the week and I dare say that will be much more reflective of what has actually been discussed,” he said.
http://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/religion-and-beliefs/iona-institute-says-document-not-reflective-of-all-opinions-at-synod-1.1963526

Banbh

They are say people really, not realising that the world has moved on and doesn't care anymore.

robindch

Nodin wrote: »

Loyal to the church...until the church changes its mind?

Silly boy! The church never changes its mind, though it might change its approach from time to time.

Some fine language on that general topic here:

http://www.rte.ie/news/2014/1014/652331-cardinal-burke-synod/

Honestly, their hands wave so much that I'm concerned for the safety of their -- I trust well-practiced -- wrists.

[Deleted User]

Mr Quinn best be careful in questioning Papal Infallibility

Nick Park

Deleted User wrote: »

Mr Quinn best be careful in questioning Papal Infallibility

And you in understanding it. :pac:

The doctrine of Papal Infallibility (which I certainly do not subscribe to) is strictly limited to Papal doctrinal pronouncements which are ex cathedra. To give you an idea of how rarely this happens, there have possibly only been six of them in the last 1000 years.

Morag

always fun when Mr Quinn bashes the bishops. :pac:

robindch

Nick Park wrote: »

The doctrine of Papal Infallibility (which I certainly do not subscribe to) is strictly limited to Papal doctrinal pronouncements which are ex cathedra.

The catechism of the RCC and Canon law, or at least the parts which I remember reading of both concerning this topic, is surprisingly vague - while you're correct to mention the "ex cathedra" rider, I don't recall that the CRCC really specifies much more than that the pope should pronounce on any topic only following consultation with his bishoply confrères.

If anybody has more time than I do, I'd certainly like to see the bit of Vatican prose where this Ex Cathedra doctrine is defined - I don't believe it occurs in either the CRCC or Canon Law.

Brian Shanahan

Banbh wrote: »

They are say people really, not realising that the world has moved on and doesn't care anymore.

The rcc's strategy has devolved onto keeping the religious fundies in the US, South America and Africa sweet, and abandoning the rest of the world. It is only chasing after the right wing US evangelicals in that strategy.