realies wrote: » But Fred is this thread not about an innocent young man whose life was destroyed by so called brittish justice ? The man has died let him rest in peace, you can start another thread about the PIRA campaign when your ready.
The Golden Miller wrote: » I did. If you had any sort of a brain, you'd see that that isn't the same analogy. First of all "Brits out" is a reference to the removal of the British establishment from 6 counties in Ireland, whereas "No Irish" signs are discriminating against individuals Secondly, when did you decide to change the goal posts? Wasn't it about tolerance levels between the Irish and English? But it's "British" now all of a sudden? They are completely different things. Not all Brits are English, didn't you know? Nothing to do with tolerance levels towards the English. So going on the above, we can agree that the Irish were more tolerant towards the English than vice versa, as we never had any "No English" signs?
Fratton Fred wrote: » Then why is it being turned into a republican PR stunt?
old hippy wrote: » I don't have a cosy view of Irish victimhood. Ask any of the regular posters on any thread about NI/the troubles/Nationalism etc & they'll tell you I'm not a patriot or one that lobs frequent attacks at "de Brits". I have no truck with Republicanism at all. That said; to try and belittle the conspiracy against Gerry Conlon and other innocent Irish people is a mark of desperation on your part. Time to man up. You could have posted a thread full of your insinuations and ugly sentiment but you chose a platform - the death of an innocent man - to get your failed points across.
Fratton Fred wrote: » Oh, ok, so the fact the bomb was planted by the IRISH republican army was irrelevant. The bombers could have been Norwegians, or Pakistani for all we know.
Lastlight. wrote: » What a load of absolute nonsense. Go tell that to the Ulster Protestants who had to fight for liberty for decades against PIRA aggression. Most Protestants know what the Brits out referenced.
realies wrote: » the usual anti everything Irish/republican/nationalist .
Fratton Fred wrote: » So he wasn't wrongly charged with a crime, he was convicted of being Irish. Riiiight.
Karl Stein wrote: » It's truly bizarre. Do other nationalities of people have this issue?
realies wrote: » may I point out that it's his distractors who derailed this thread with the usual anti everything Irish/republican/nationalist .
meathstevie wrote: » As a matter of fact yes, the bombers could have been anyone. Could have been English born or Danish or Cypriot or Kenian or whatever because it's never been proven who planted the device. The only thing that has been established is that the police was guilty of perjury at the best, obstructing the course of justice and misconduct in public office and conspiring to do all of the above.
Magaggie wrote: » Exactly. To say this thread was deliberately steered in a hardline republican direction after going otherwise swimmingly is very dishonest. First people trolled (well I'm assuming trolled, on the basis that no sane person would really think what they wrote) then people denied there was anti Irish feeling in Britain (which helped to jail the G4 and B6 ffs).
meathstevie wrote: » Lastlight, you might want to do a bit of recent historical research on how the troubles started and developed. If the Northern Ireland government would have realised the fact that the population of "Ulster" was not only made up of "Protestants" that needed to be represented and looked after the Provo's would have never gotten a breeze of wind in their sails but oh no bigotry had to prevail at all cost and the results are known to the whole wide world. In a way and only to a certain extent the "Protestants" to use a flawed label find themselves in a situation similar to white Africans who also are/were the descendants of colonisers and were left in on a sticky wicket when the natives said enough is enough.
Lastlight. wrote: » More myths again. The Brits out was in reference to the supporters of Northern Ireland remaining in the Union, which was Ulster Protestants. You can't get away from that.
Fratton Fred wrote: » Oh, so an ira signature bomb, claimed by the ira could have been planted by someone that wasn't Irish. Possible I suppose, but I wonder what odds you'd get on it.
realies wrote: » The Brits out was aimed at the British soldiers stationed up there, I never took it to mean anything but that.
Karl Stein wrote: » There were two English men jailed for IRA bomb attacks in England
Lastlight. wrote: » Myth. Go ask Protestants having this shouted at them from Republicans across barriers in Ulster.
Fratton Fred wrote: » Obviously the Dublin and Monaghan bombs are on topic are they, or is off topic anything you don't like?
Magaggie wrote: » What? That's a leap based on virtually nothing. I said nothing about people going off topic. I was responding to the claim that this thread is a load of provo showboating. It headed in the wrong direction as soon as someone said something about people not having as much sympathy for Gerry Conlon if he were wrongfully convicted of rape.
Fratton Fred wrote: » It is showboating though. His conviction was a crime and he has achieved a lot sinse his release, but when posters who claim the bombing of innocent people was a justifiable act of war, then go on to cry foul at innocent people being convicted of crimes they did not commit, you do have to question their motives. If, instead of being wrongly convicted of the Guildford pub bomb, Gerry Conlon had been killed in it, these same posters would be defending it.
Fratton Fred wrote: » posters who claim the bombing of innocent people was a justifiable act of war
Conall Cernach wrote: » The original slogan was "British Troops Out" which was naturally shortened to simply "Brits Out".
Fratton Fred wrote: » His conviction was a crime
Fratton Fred wrote: » Isn't that like claiming Denzel Washington was discriminated against for not being offered the role of Michael Collins?
twowheelsgood wrote: » Even if there was no negative attitude to the Irish in Britain (there was) it was inevitable that it would arise or increase in the wake of the IRA’s murder campaign. And not because of anything peculiar in the British character but because it is how any people would respond. Muslims become radicalised in response to US aggression against them, we burnt down the British embassy in response to bloody Sunday. This is pretty much how all peoples react. Anyway, has all pretence that this is an RIP thread now being abandoned?
