end of the road wrote: » old hippy wrote: » Even the young, poorly educated kids just looking for work & not knowing what they were getting into? old hippy wrote: » we all know right from wrong, when those vermin murdered those people on bloody sunday they knew exactly what they were doing and why, the fact they were supposibly "kids" is no excuse we'l have to agree to disagree on that i know, and i never suggested otherwise There is no excuse for Bloody Sunday. Absolutely. But there were plenty of rank and file ordinary boys (and still are) who joined the army for work - not because they had any expertise on the political situation. I've met some of them and I find mostly they regret serving over there. Then of course, there are those who are consumed by hatred, who can justify atrocities like Bloody Sunday.
old hippy wrote: » Even the young, poorly educated kids just looking for work & not knowing what they were getting into? old hippy wrote: » we all know right from wrong, when those vermin murdered those people on bloody sunday they knew exactly what they were doing and why, the fact they were supposibly "kids" is no excuse we'l have to agree to disagree on that i know, and i never suggested otherwise There is no excuse for Bloody Sunday. Absolutely. But there were plenty of rank and file ordinary boys (and still are) who joined the army for work - not because they had any expertise on the political situation. I've met some of them and I find mostly they regret serving over there. Then of course, there are those who are consumed by hatred, who can justify atrocities like Bloody Sunday.
old hippy wrote: » we all know right from wrong, when those vermin murdered those people on bloody sunday they knew exactly what they were doing and why, the fact they were supposibly "kids" is no excuse we'l have to agree to disagree on that i know, and i never suggested otherwise
old hippy wrote: » Even the young, poorly educated kids just looking for work & not knowing what they were getting into?
old hippy wrote: » A tad harsh - whether you like them or not.
old hippy wrote: » you know I'm neither an army or IRA supporter.
end of the road wrote: » well thats the sort of vermin that were in the british military and security forces at the time, which is why i shead no tear for any BA personal disposed of during the troubles, none what so ever well when you have gullible idiots willing to believe and support such genocide in the name of "national security" then this is what is going to happen
pO1Neil wrote: » when he went to visit his dieing father he was surrounded by specials with hand guns & had pump action shotguns pointed to his head & when he leaned to kiss his father a shotgun was pointed at him his head & told "move another inch you Irish bast&rd & I'll blow your f*cking head off".
pO1Neil wrote: » The Maguire family case was just absolute bonkers they weren't even convicted of a IRA action, they were convicted of a made up story. Because some black duck tape was found in their house they must have been using it as a bomb factory a 13 year child lost the best years of his life because of the anti-Irish hysteria in 1970's England.
Knock Off Nigel wrote: » The British government agencies and armed forces have far more blood on their hands and will never be brought to justice. I know that sounds strange. British and justice.
onlyme! wrote: » On the daily mail uk site, lots of rip messages are being red ticked on the article regarding gerry's death, so it looks like some british still believe gerry was guilty, why else the hatred? unbelievable! RIP Gerry!
Busted Flat. wrote: » The war was over then.
tomwaterford wrote: » as rough as it sounds the IRA had enough of its own in jail...they were always going to just look after there own (and also had a campaign of violence to conduct)....the british knew they were innocent anyway...(this shouldn't be forget) as an aside....there campaign for realease would never have been heard/got off the ground if the ira took them under there wing....its like this if the ira negociated for there move to long kesh....would you really believe them to be innocent/not involved (I would struggle to tbh)
Red_Wake wrote: » I see the Shinners are attempting to draw away attention from their crimes and gain politically from their victims' suffering again. Typical.
pO1Neil wrote: » Exactly, the IRA leadership could have told the British government representatives while they were negotiating that the G4 & B^ were not in the IRA & were innocent. And if that didn't work they could have requested a transfer to Long Kesh (which would have been like heaven compared to a English jail). It worked with the Old Bailey bombers why not the Guildford four?
tomwaterford wrote: » why would they....they were not IRA members??? who would believe them to be innocent if they did that??
pO1Neil wrote: » Doing a bit of research it looks like the IRA probably could have got the Guildford four & Birmingham six out or moved to Long Kesh a lot less hostile environment. Because the IRA leadership negotiated to have the 1973 Old Bailey bombers (Gerry Kelly, The Price Sisters, Hugh Feeney, a few others) moved from English prisons to the Maze during the 1975 ceasefire. Although the Old Bailey bombers were on hunger strike as well & one of them died from force feeding so it's hard to say for sure, nobody is sure if they actually tried to get the innocent people out or not.
scuba8 wrote: » Statements from the dock years later does not cut it. At the time Gerry Conlon was convicted they could have made written statements through a solicitor in which they put in details of the bombing that only those involved could know. Then go with their solicitor and their written statements to say a police station in Belfast. Notify the press of what they were doing and confess. The Brits would have had no option but to quash the convictions. They chose to let innocent men take the blame for the bombing.
scuba8 wrote: » We will never know what would have happened because the Ira never did give statements of confession.
scuba8 wrote: » The truth is the truth whether you like it or not.
scuba8 wrote: » So you are saying the Ira did not let them rot in jail for 15 years. This was not meant to be a bash the Ira thread. How ever when the shiners do not accept their part in the suffering of Gerry Conlon and pretend it had nothing to do with them then the hypocracy needs to be pointed out.
Lapin wrote: » R.I.P. Poor Gerry never really settled after 15 years of his life were stolen from him.
scuba8 wrote: » We will never know what might have happened because the Ira did nothing to help Gerry Conlon.
michael999999 wrote: » Really? Like the families of the Hillsborough disaster got justice? You obviously haven't a clue about British 'justice'.
Deleted User wrote: » And what do you propose they could have actually done about it?
Banjo String wrote: » Some Irish think so too.
