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Minimum years residency in order to get citizenship

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Currently the minimum number of years you have to be living in Ireland before getting citizenship is 5.

I think this number is from a different era when there wasn't anywhere close to the level of immigration into Ireland, legal or otherwise.

I know a couple of people who have obtained citizenship after 5 years who are solely doing it to get a passport and the rights that go with that. They have no interest in staying in Ireland permanently, they don't feel Irish, and they don't want to feel Irish.

It makes me feel sad and thinks we're giving citizenship away too cheaply. It's not such a human sacrifice for people in their 20's to more from a poorer country for a better paid job in a better economy only to have to live here 5 years. Especially given the cheaper air travel, Skype etc that exists in our modern world.

What are people's thoughts?

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Carry

Sunglasses Ron wrote: »

Artificially inflated a property boom would be the primary one. How do you think we got lumbered with ghost estates?

I don't have the time right now to explain some economics regarding the Irish property bubble.
But I found you a wiki-link to educate yourself at least superficially: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_property_bubble#Contributing_factors

Or you can google for yourself or browse the adequate forum on boards.

Have fun!

Sunglasses Ron

Carry wrote: »

I don't have the time right now to explain some economics regarding the Irish property bubble.
But I found you a wiki-link to educate yourself at least superficially: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_property_bubble#Contributing_factors

Or you can google for yourself or browse the adequate forum on boards.

Have fun!

It takes a certain level of ignorance to claim that uncontrolled EU migration did not inspire a generation of have a go landlords to buy up new properties to let to what they believed would be an unending supply of migrant workers.

It's covered in the first post here (the original IT article is pay- only)

http://www.politics.ie/forum/economy/211485-dan-obrien-2004-mass-immigration-policies-were-mistake.html

"Building houses to house the people building the houses.
what could possibly go wrong?"

SeanW

Standman wrote: »

But what if a billions immigrantz move here?

Well, now that you mention it:

lefty view wrote:

We should welcome them all with the Cead Mile Failte, even those that are criminals, vagrants or fundamentalists.

Disagree? Well, that's because you're a horrible evil xenophobic racist.

Mountainsandh

Carry wrote: »

I don't have the time right now to explain some economics regarding the Irish property bubble.
But I found you a wiki-link to educate yourself at least superficially: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_property_bubble#Contributing_factors

Or you can google for yourself or browse the adequate forum on boards.

Have fun!

How arrogant. It is pretty obvious to all that an influx of young families into Ireland would have an effect on the property market. Just like a native baby boom would.

Annasopra

Sunglasses Ron wrote: »

Well actually, it sort of did.

The government of the day, along with that of the UK, ruled out any sort of quota/ work permit system because they estimated the annual figure would be in the four figures.

It wasn't, it was in the six figures by the end, and it was a significant push factor towards the economic disaster we got ourselves into.

But shure, ya can't be sayin that, can you :rolleyes:

Billions of Polish emigrated here?

Grayson

Sunglasses Ron wrote: »

It takes a certain level of ignorance to claim that uncontrolled EU migration did not inspire a generation of have a go landlords to buy up new properties to let to what they believed would be an unending supply of migrant workers.

It's covered in the first post here (the original IT article is pay- only)

http://www.politics.ie/forum/economy/211485-dan-obrien-2004-mass-immigration-policies-were-mistake.html

"Building houses to house the people building the houses.
what could possibly go wrong?"

Except the housing boom started before the immigration. In the later stages it might have had some affect, but at that point Ireland had already gotten into it's head that it could make itself rich selling houses to itself.

Sunglasses Ron

Grayson wrote: »

Except the housing boom started before the immigration. In the later stages it might have had some affect, but at that point Ireland had already gotten into it's head that it could make itself rich selling houses to itself.

Complete and utter nonsense.

How much did house prices go up between 2002 and 2007?

ScumLord

5 years is a long time. That's enough time to get a secure job, do a college course, get married, have kids, friends and have a new extended family.

We don't want to end up driving good people away either.

crockholm

I'm Irish and I live in Sweden.Wife is Swedish,son is Swedish and cleetus the Foetus is Swedish.I love the country,I was waving minature Swedish flags on the 6th of june and will be singing about small frogs next week.

I will never take a Swedish passport however.

Not out of disrespect to the country,but rather that I am an Irishman and for better or worse that is how I will be until there is a bible under my chin.

Sometimes (though not Always) I feel that some seek out the Irish passport just to avoid deportation,and is just a means for selfish gain rather that an altruistic love of the country and her people and culture

Grayson

Sunglasses Ron wrote: »

Complete and utter nonsense.

How much did house prices go up between 2002 and 2007?

How much did they go up between 1995 and 2000?

http://www.statusireland.com/data/charts/Irish-House-Price-Index-Since-1996.jpg

In 2000 we were halfway through the "Tiger".

btw, do you really have to be so insulting?

Isolt

We're hardly 'giving citizenship away'. Have you any idea how much is involved in the naturalisation process? Five years is plenty of time, in my opinion.

Sunglasses Ron

Grayson wrote: »

How much did they go up between 1995 and 2000?

http://www.statusireland.com/data/charts/Irish-House-Price-Index-Since-1996.jpg

In 2000 we were halfway through the "Tiger".

btw, do you really have to be so insulting?

The numbers were sustainable, and in fact good for our economy, relative to our population growth/ demand and the steady but stable inward flow of people. Building for fun only truly kicked off around the time of the EU expansion, what with it providing more hands to do the building. At one point we were building half as many homes in Ireland as they were building annually in 15 times the population UK. It was, from memory, around summer 2008 that we suddenly realised the economy was heading for the s'hitter and the country was now full of half built housing estates that had been started the previous year that would take an age to flog to anybody. And these estates were started on the assumption that, like in the prior four years, there would be a constant stream of Irish people buying them to rent out to what they assumed would be a constant flow of newcomers. Entire estates were tenant occupied.

Mountainsandh

ScumLord wrote: »

We don't want to end up driving good people away either.

Here is that selling, monetary bias I meant.

If the "good people" really want to be citizens of Ireland, they will have no problems waiting 10 years.
Please see my link in the first pages of this thread to an official information page on long term residency arrangements.

Other than the right to vote, there is very little someone on long term residency may not be entitled to, or able to do, as far as I can see.

So your Australian dentist can happily be long term resident in Ireland, and decide on his tenth year here that he would like to be able to vote, and be an official Irish citizen.

GaelMise

PizzamanIRL wrote: »

As soon as you touch Irish soil you should be given citizenship, begorrah.

Twas good enough for you and me.

comongethappy

"Mountainsandh wrote: »

Other than the right to vote, there is very little someone on long term residency may not be entitled to, or able to do, as far as I can see.

True.

As a non-EU LTR, I can't think of any way I have fewer rights than an EU citizen (to date).

I also voted in the 2011 election & the presidential..... No one ever checks citizenship.

sunflower27

14 years here myself! How time flies!

I will apply for citizenship when I have finished college and can afford it. I can keep my Australian citizenship too, which is a bonus.

Nodin

Sunglasses Ron wrote: »

The (.............) occupied.

You've been challenged on this before and have failed to back it up. None of the inquiries into the bubble mention this odd notion of yours.

Sunglasses Ron

Nodin wrote: »

You've been challenged on this before and have failed to back it up. None of the inquiries into the bubble mention this odd notion of yours.

It could hardly be because armchair pundits would boot anyone who dared to state the obvious out of their job for being some sort of neo Nazi, would it? (despite the whole mess being the fault of FF failing to impose controls, not the migrants of Poland, or wherever).

It is one of those things that public figures are simply not allowed to say.

But then again, I would expect nothing less from someone who has previously stated that 67% of the population have no right to have their political concerns dealt with if it does not agree with what the pre approved status quo dictates.

Nodin

Sunglasses Ron wrote: »

It could hardly be because armchair pundits would boot anyone who dared(...............)quo dictates.

You have no proof. No official report mentions it as a cause, and your appeal to conspiracy rather underlines my point.

crybaby

Deleted User wrote: »

The only people that I know who have applied or are applying for citizenship are only using the country to get a passport for travel rights (visa waivers etc). They have no plans to stay in Ireland long-term, and they couldn't really care less about the country.

They read the news in their home country, Skype family and friends back home and spend almost all their holidays in their home country (if I lived abroad I think I'd spend at least a few days year holidaying and discovering my host country)

The two people who I know who have applied for it are both hard working individuals who have helped a huge number of immigrants in the past and are both fully integrated into Irish society. They have both contributed to Ireland, both of them work hard and I wish them nothing but good luck in the future.

Have you considered the possibility of your mates being arseholes?

Grayson

crybaby wrote: »

The two people who I know who have applied for it are both hard working individuals who have helped a huge number of immigrants in the past and are both fully integrated into Irish society. They have both contributed to Ireland, both of them work hard and I wish them nothing but good luck in the future.

Have you considered the possibility of your mates being arseholes?

I'd say they're arseholes or the OP just doesn't like immigrants. I work for a multinational and easily 80% of this building isn't irish. There are some that are getting irish citizenship and they're all grand. Most are settled with families. There's one guy who isn't, but he's buying a house so I doubt he's moving anywhere. Although there is one american who we could really do without. She's really fcuking annoying.

[Deleted User]

crybaby wrote: »

The two people who I know who have applied for it are both hard working individuals who have helped a huge number of immigrants in the past and are both fully integrated into Irish society. They have both contributed to Ireland, both of them work hard and I wish them nothing but good luck in the future.

Have you considered the possibility of your mates being arseholes?

One is a mate and he's a sound guy and good to go for pints with. He agrees with me even though he's applying for it because he knows the rule will apply in his country also. I actually signed one of the forms for him as a reference for his application which is what got me thinking about it. He's honest enough to admit that the only reason he wants it is for travel to places like the US for holidays.

The other is a colleague who is the least popular on my team in work, and is so culturally different that even management would love to get rid of her but can't. She's only doing it so that she can have the passport and associated benefits of dual citizenship. Despite being in the country 5 years she has zero knowledge of the country, never socialises with the team or makes any effort, and has no friends in work.