bumper234 wrote: » It's been a long day so am not sure if you're being sarcastic or not.
Obliq wrote: » :pac: Sarcastic for sure.
In the summer of forty five, a priest, meeting one of the women in the main street of Newbridge, there threw her down, tearing from off her back the thin shawl and gown that covered it, and with his heavy riding-whip so flogged her over the bare shoulders that the blood actually spirited over his boots. She all the time never resisted, but was only crying piteously for mercy. Of the crowd which was formed round the scene, not a man nor a woman interfered by word or action. When it was over, not one said of the miserable soul, "God help her." Five days afterwards I saw this girl, and her back then was still so raw that she could not bear to wear a frock over it. Yet when she told me how it was done, and who did it, she never uttered a hard word against the ruffian who had treated her so brutally. Had any person attacked a brute beast as savagely in England, as the priest had here treated this least of God's creatures, the strong arm of the law would have been stretched out between him and his victim. Yet in Newbridge there was not even an Irishman man enough to take the law in his own hands, by seizing the whip from the priest and giving him on his own skin a lesson of mercy. For it was in Ireland, where even now inhumanity of this sort is encouraged; where dealers consider it a part of religion not to supply these outcasts with the common necessaries of life; where the man who would allow one of them to crawl into his barn or cowshed to lie down and die, would be denounced from the altar, and be ordered to do penance for his charity.
iguana wrote: » Sorry, that was very much sarcasm. Sparked off by all the posts and comments about how babies need to be baptised as it's good for them to have moral guidance in life. And that religious patronage of schools is a good thing because of the moral guidelines it helps give children. Like the non-religious are immoral people incapable of ever even wanting to do anything for others because we need religion to tell us to be good.
LostinKildare wrote: » The other story is a much shorter piece, "Stoning the Desolate," by Charles Dickens (yes THE Charles Dickens), who wrote very beautifully and movingly about the plight of the so-called Wrens of the Curragh in the mid-1800s. These were camp followers who lived miserable lives exposed to the elements or in "nests" in the gorse on the Curragh. They were horribly abused by the townspeople of Newbridge. It is definitely worth a read, to see how rare was compassion for fallen women in Ireland.http://www.kildare.ie/library/ehistory/2012/02/stoning_the_desolate.asp An small extract:
Bannasidhe wrote: » Tuam is the 34th child mass grave site linked this week to the Catholic Church. Pope Francis was being prosecuted by the International Common Law Court of Justice (ICLCJ) in Brussels for allegedly trafficking 300,000 children of political prisoners through Vatican Catholic Charities during Argentine’s Dirty War. Last year’s ICLCJ prosecution concerned 50,000 missing native Canadian children. There have been 32 child mass grave sites uncovered so far in Canada, most of them on Catholic-run native residential school grounds. The Vatican, British Crown and Canadian government have refused excavation of the 32 Canadian mass grave sites believed filled with native children. Before licensed archeologists were turned away, human remains of children were uncovered at the larger sites in Brantford Ontario and Port Alberni British Columbia Canada. As of November 2013 over ten million Catholic Priest child sex abuse cases have been documented.
Spring Onion wrote: » PM REDACTED
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robindch wrote: » I've just heard indications that Frances Fitzgerald, Minster for Justice and Equality, will accept this petition tomorrow morning at the Ministry building in advance of the Dail debate. For anybody who's signed it, thanks. For anybody who hasn't, get going! And everybody, please share as much as you can on social media. Thanks for your help on this one folks. I think A+A might have made a worthwhile difference here.https://secure.avaaz.org/en/petition/Frances_Fitzgerald_Irish_Minister_for_Justice_and_Equality_A_full_Gardai_investigation_into_the_mass_grave_in_Tuam_Co_Ga/
LostinKildare wrote: » Poking around in the history of the county I found two stories that might be of interest here. Strictly speaking, they are a wee bit off-topic because they deal with the period before the civil war, but they tell us a lot about attitudes to child welfare and also the treatment of "fallen women." The first is a long article (in 3 parts) about the scandal of the Caragh Orphanage in the 1870s-1890s. The orphanage was established and run by an incorrigible Protestant reverend and his wife. Children were abused --- chained together, or to a log which they had to drag, to "keep them from running away" --- and neglected to the point of death. It is sadly familiar stuff, but what is different from what happened 50 years later is how the state authorities dealt with it --- they were pretty swift in convicting and fining and even imprisoning him (several times, since they kept monitoring him) --- and also in the condemnation from the public. It was widely covered in the newspapers, and when the police brought him to the train station in Sallins to return him to Mountjoy after his final conviction, a large crowd gathered to heckle him.http://www.kildare.ie/library/ehistory/2008/06/the_caragh_orphanage_a_scandal.asphttp://www.kildare.ie/library/ehistory/2008/06/the_caragh_orphanage_a_scandal_1.asphttp://www.kildare.ie/library/ehistory/2008/06/the_caragh_orphanage_a_scandal_2.asp The other story is a much shorter piece, "Stoning the Desolate," by Charles Dickens (yes THE Charles Dickens), who wrote very beautifully and movingly about the plight of the so-called Wrens of the Curragh in the mid-1800s. These were camp followers who lived miserable lives exposed to the elements or in "nests" in the gorse on the Curragh. They were horribly abused by the townspeople of Newbridge. It is definitely worth a read, to see how rare was compassion for fallen women in Ireland.http://www.kildare.ie/library/ehistory/2012/02/stoning_the_desolate.asp An small extract:
Spring Onion wrote: » I am confused, why is there a quote under my name in your post above saying "PM REDACTED"? They're not my words.
Flippyfloppy wrote: » Thanks for the info! I can't help but wonder if the public hated this guy so much because it was a Protestant doing it!!
iguana wrote: » You are mistaken there. People need religion for ethical and moral guidance, atheists can't do anything worthwhile or good.
you only live once wrote: » Im an atheist and I am currently volunteering with three different charities but Im not doing anything good? I was raised catholic but I saw through the sadistic and immoral contradictions a very long time ago. Think its a bit unfair to say atheists can't do anything good.. I haven't seen any catholics do a whole pile of good other then convince people they are going to hell if they don't worship, forbid gay people to express themselves, let women believe they don't have a choice with regards to abortion, shunned people from society if they were considered to be an "illegitimate child", frowned upon essentially anyone who didn't buy into their money making power trip making them social outcasts. Lies, secrets and wrongdoing.
Cabaal wrote: » All they ever cared about was what religion the people were, it didn't matter if they were good, suitable people.
Cabaal wrote: » Its ok, he was being sarcastic when he said what he said, However, what he said has been said by many religious people over the years so many people think religion = morals.
Spring Onion wrote: » You forgot about the money, they cared about the money.
Zubeneschamali wrote: » This all follows from the idea that this life is just a brief (and unpleasant) driving test before you get your license, wings and harp at the Pearly Gates. People who really believe this corrosive idea really don't care if everyone lives a miserable life and dies young, as long as they get into Heaven. (Not to say the Bishops believed it - their nice houses, servants etc. etc. don't really line up)
Spring Onion wrote: » I often wonder - did the bishops, priests, nuns or brothers believe a word of the new testament? If they did, they must have know they were in big trouble at the pearly gates for the cruelty and torture they inflicted on them. What did Jesus say? "If anyone causes one of these little ones-those who believe in me-to stumble, it would be better for them to have a large millstone hung around their neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea."
Flippyfloppy wrote: » Thanks for the info! I can't help but wonder if the public hated this guy so much because it was a Protestant doing it!! Taking their land, hurting some of their own!
(a) his client had insufficient time to prepare a defence and (b) witnesses for the defence were not available and (c) there were too many Protestants among the jury. This latter point was based on the fact that the Lord Primate had written a letter to the Evening Telegraph some months previously condemning Cotton in the strongest possible terms and so, it could be argued, Protestant jurors would more likely be influenced by their own Primate than would Catholics.
Mr Justice Murphy charged the jury in a manner that could only have instilled, in at least some of them, doubts as to the Cottons guilt. It was as if the judge was bending over backwards trying to ensure that no charge of sectarianism could be laid upon a Catholic judge presiding over a court where a Protestant Clergyman was being tried for serious crimes.
Flippyfloppy wrote: » Plus the Nuns seem to have kept it all under wraps, noone really seemed to know what they were at.
