lynski wrote: » Go take a look at the discussion on this issue on the Christianity board. Interesting read.
lynski wrote: » tHERE IS NONE! Sorry for the shouting but wtf? How can there be no one in the believing community talking about this?
SeaDaily wrote: » Well put it this way, at no point have you openly said that the burials were inappropriate. If you don't think they are inappropriate you must think they are appropriate.
I Heart Internet wrote: » I'd only be guessing on the details, but I dont think they were buried correctly (without a coffin or grave marker).
lynski wrote: » tHERE IS NONE! Sorry for the shouting but wtf? How can there be no one in the believing community talking about this? Not so much as a prayer for them, maybe they are still stained by the sin of their parents. Sorry mothers, as the fathers were never punished for their conception.
I Heart Internet wrote: » How dare they not discuss what we're discussing.
eviltwin wrote: » A scandal at the very heart of your church, you would think it would merit a thread but it hasn't even got a sniff of one, says it all really doesn't it.
I Heart Internet wrote: » and yet....
SeaDaily wrote: » In this thread you have been trying to make out that the church was not involved in this by saying that an investigation has to be carried out before any conclusions can be made. I would view that as a defence of the RCC. I think you would have to be a fool to believe the RCC isn't to blame and I wonder how many cases such as this and how much evidence you need to see to realise that the RCC is at fault here and has been at fault for countless other atrocities in Ireland over the last many decades.
mrsbyrne wrote: » So you can't find any post where I have defended or made excuses for the RCC. Why dont you just hold up your hands and say sorry I was mistaken?
SeaDaily wrote: » Apologies I must have missed that post. So you believe that the burials were inappropriate and yet you feel the church is not in the wrong... I see
I Heart Internet wrote: » To be fair, the Christianity forum is not the most active of boards.
mrsbyrne wrote: » Please direct me to the post on this thread in which I made any defence or made any excuses.
mrsbyrne wrote: » I don't agree at all that I am the one who is being disrespetfull here. Posters are alleging murder and abuse and criminality before any investigation has taken place. No poster seems to be cogniscent of the possibility that parents of these dead children could be still alive and finding these allegations very traumatising. The rush to judgment here is alarming based on such scant evidence. And these allegations are allowed to go on pretty much unfettered. There is no doubt that a lynch mob mentality is very prevalent here and it is very troubling.
mrsbyrne wrote: » I see that even before any of us have signed the petition, the investigation is over for a lot of posters. Apparently exactly 800 babies were murdered by the nuns, nobody here on A&A really cares how where why or when. All that matters to some folk is that we seem to have the magic ingredients 1. Dead babies 2. Nuns Don't let's be bothered with a proper investigation . Don't show any sensitivity to the families of these babies who maybe still alive and suffering horrendously as a result of this discovery. Just get me my pitchfork im in a mood to lynch some religious. We don't need know investigation. Its murder! Murder I tells ya!
mrsbyrne wrote: » I'm not ashamed of anything. I havnt anything to be ashamed of.
mrsbyrne wrote: » Certainly no need for any heart searching here. I've no problem signing it.
mrsbyrne wrote: » I heart internet ,ryan101 and I have all called for a full a and thorough investigation into the discovery of this apparent mass grave. I don't see obsfucating or nitpicking on this thread or shouting down. Where do you see it?
mrsbyrne wrote: » Yes but you don't know how the bodies got there. You don't know who put them there or why or when. You are just speculating. That's why there needs to be an investigation. You don't appear to want an investigation . You appear to want to go straight from wild allegations to punishment phase. BTW the Mercy Sisters won't be able to help the investigation as the actual Order of nuns is Bons Secours. Its always more productive to investigate the correct people.
mrsbyrne wrote: » Well if even only the posters on this thread who claim to "know" what happened at Tuam made a statement to Gardai then the Guards would probably get permission from the judiciary to serve a warrant on the Order to compel them to cooperate. Then they would have to produce their records and the investigation could move on. Posters seem to be reluctant though to go to the Guards with their evidence . I don't know why. Its as if they don't actually know what happened and are just wildly recklessly speculating about a topic which may be causing terrible mental anguish to people involved who are still alive. And I'm not talking about the nuns.
mrsbyrne wrote: » As far as I know an investigation has yet to take place, never mind conclusions being drawn. Yet you claim to know what happened. Have you presented your evidence to the Gardai? Another poster on this thread claimed to "know" what happened at Tuam as well. If everybody who "knows' what happened at Tuam r any other potential scene of crime would simply present themselves at a Garda station and make a statement then it would expediate each investigation and the Guards could move swiftly through the process to where arrests could be made.
SeaDaily wrote: » Alright give me a minute and I'll make a post which includes each and every post of yours from this thread. I believe all of them are making excuses for the church and trying to deflect attention by saying that a full investigation hasn't been completed yet.
I Heart Internet wrote: » OK, we'll have to start this again - where did I say "the church are not in the wrong"? You seem to be confusing me stating we need to learn more facts about this case, for me defending and excusing what appears to have gone down.
SeaDaily wrote: » There you go.
I Heart Internet wrote: » How do these quotes prove what you claim they do?
SeaDaily wrote: » Okay so we agree then. The church is in the wrong and an investigation needs to take place. Glad we sorted that out.
Neyite wrote: » Can anyone tell me, was it the norm to baptise babies born in institutions such as these? The historian Catherine Corless found that the eldest child who died and subsequently has no burial record in any burial ground was 9 years of age and presumably was dumped in this septic tank. This would have been a baptised Catholic, no? Also would have had their First Confession and First Holy Communion? But no Catholic burial in sanctified ground? If this is the case, its surely double standards no? This is the final straw for me in my pulling away from the faith I was born in. I think your forum might have its newest member.
I Heart Internet wrote: » An investigation of this particular case is needed immediately.
I Heart Internet wrote: » The church failed miserably in caring for many children over many years. An investigation of this particular case is needed immediately.
Zubeneschamali wrote: » What facts lead you to think an investigation is needed?
Cabaal wrote: » An investigation request is already being made as I showed in a news story,
I Heart Internet wrote: » So what do we do now? Wait? Or speculate wildly? Mmmm difficult one that.
