Armelodie wrote: » I heard an interview on the radio. Yesterday on newstalk at about 12:30 Basically... Healthy babies earmarked for 'export'. Sick or disabled babies left to die after birth in 'dying rooms'... I wouldn't agree with the above poster who said the explanations were just 'sad and mundane', this was organised murder no different to auschwitz. The researcher made the point that she couldn't find any records of any children being adopted who had a disability...so what happened to them. The mortality rate was twice the national average. She said it is often claimed by some that the religious orders were the only ones who would take these mothers and they did their best with limited means...but , the reality is that these different orders were competing by tender process to take in the mothers. The headage payment by the state was the average industrial wage at the time ... now consider the money that was being made: 1. Headage payment from state yet the women were kept in substandard prison like conditions. 2. Women were slave labour for the orders. 3. Babies taken and presumably sold. This case isn't just sad ... its organised slavery and murder. The time for historians investigating is over, it should be handed over to the guards and these babies remains should be examined to determine the causes of death.
ryan101 wrote: » ........ It might well have been a water tank of some description, and that's what most of the press reports have been referring to it as.
gctest50 wrote: » Is that some kind of upgrade ? Oh look they left them starve to death but but but it was a water tank
ryan101 wrote: » No it's not, but this should be investigated properly and the facts reported accurately, do you want accuracy and truth or not ?
Armelodie wrote: » I heard an interview on the radio. Yesterday on newstalk at about 12:30 <snip> Healthy babies earmarked for 'export'. <snip>The headage payment by the state was the average industrial wage at the time ... now consider the money that was being made:
Bellatori wrote: » Secondly I hear in my head a voice of some old Nun shuffling with a baby through to the 'special' room crooning "Don't worry love... it is all for the best" but I cannot work out if it is to the mother or the baby or both. There are stories that I really wish I had not come across and this is one of them.
Cabaal wrote: » You left out the other party in this, Perhaps it was best for the nuns...in their eye's?
smokingman wrote: » I'm sure they qualified it with "Sure they don't have a soul anyway"
Manach wrote: » Not to be cognisance of that fact, in the pursuit of condemning the Church shows this thread more fitting for the conspiracy forum .
Manach wrote: » One thing I agree with in the article was the knowledge of history is important. Other than that lots of speculation by an author pushing an agenda. On that point, I'd be guilty of myself for what I've formally learnt of history is that there are rarely neutral voices. So for balance, I'd know that the Church took on board the dregs of society that Ireland state did not seek to engage with - that generations either ended up there or were forced to head to England based on a de facto government policy. Given the state of medical resources and skill, even in the best of circumstances, the life expectancy of children even in the most advanced of countries was less than ideal. Not to be cognisance of that fact, in the pursuit of condemning the Church shows this thread more fitting for the conspiracy forum .
gctest50 wrote: » This having happened x 800 does : ( from "The Dying Rooms" )http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Xv5rJ0M49g
ryan101 wrote: » Tragic clip, highlighting the Chinese atheist state's one child policy
robindch wrote: » The church meets over the brewing horror and it looks like they might support the building of a monument to the 800 dead children and might even agree to hold a service of commemoration.http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/church-to-meet-over-memorial-for-800-babies-at-mass-grave-30321303.html
PopePalpatine wrote: » Nice whataboutery there, keep telling yourself that these 800 children's skeletons being stuffed in a septic tank are a lie by the "SECULAR MEEJA".
ryan101 wrote: » This is incorrect. An underground tank actually protects from the frost. Lots of underground reservoir water tanks exist in Ireland, particularly for old underground springs/ wells. Pumps are not required if such tanks are located in land that is above the supply area. It might well have been a water tank of some description, and that's what most of the press reports have been referring to it as.
Nodin wrote: » Whats the relevance of the supposed difference?
ryan101 wrote: » Accuracy, and factual reporting.
Cabaal wrote: » Its hardly a make or break detail though,
pauldla wrote: » One of the advantages of having no belief in God is that one will never be compelled to post nonsense on an Internet forum trying to explain away or obfuscate the finding of 800 corpses in a septic tank. :mad:
freedominacup wrote: » A belief in God doesn't bring with it any compulsion to make any efforts to cover this up or explain it.
gctest50 wrote: » ryan101 wrote: » No it's not, but this should be investigated properly and the facts reported accurately, do you want accuracy and truth or not ? Would it matter if the Nazis used a shovel or a spade to dig out the mass graves ?
Bellatori wrote: » Secondly I hear in my head a voice of some old Nun shuffling with a baby through to the 'special' room crooning "Don't worry love... it is all for the best" but I cannot work out if it is to the mother or the baby or both.
Cabaal wrote: » Now for the sake of things, lets imagine that was say $800. In todays money thats $7,899. But we also have to remember that $800 back in 1950's was ALOT of money. The avg American yearly salary was $2,992 at that time.
the_syco wrote: » Also, they'd have to be dead before going into a water tank. Not so much if they were being flung into a tank of poo.
SpaceTime wrote: » I'm pretty sickened by this. These 800 kids could have been any of our relatives from that era. They were someone's brother, sister, son or daughter and they're our fellow citizens. They had their human rights completely violated and ended up dead in and forgotten about in a septic tank. That is the disgusting reality of it and there is no justification for it and never ever will be. If the Gardai don't investigate it as a crime scene, even just to establish what happened if all those behind it are long since dead, it just shows how uncaring this country was and continues to be. I don't really care what the twisted rationale was for how they ended up there but they deserve their deaths to be explained and investigated and their existence acknowledged! This is 800 Irish children buried in a septic tank in the 20th century. If that isn't causing outrage, there's something very wrong.
the_syco wrote: » I also note that the bones were found in 1975. Yet I only heard about it recently. .
