B.A._Baracus wrote: » Sadly people are assholes.People like to bash things that they are not, do not believe in, the opposite of their lifestyle, etc. It's all apart of blowing yourself up. "I'm right because X, Y, Z... but your wrong because of X, Y, Z!" Like, the Catholic Church has alot to answer for. Because alot has gone on. But all too often you see people bashing religion as a whole.
krudler wrote: » Isn't that exactly what the RCC does? people often confuse "calling organistations with outdated views out on their BS" with "bashing".
Turtwig wrote: » It's all the rage for very valid reasons. Atrocities committed tend to make people angry. Rights denied make them frustrated. If they didn't we wouldn't be human. Catholics just aren't used to having their ideas scrutinized or criticised. There is some insults and personal attacks that I would consider bashing, but all too often criticism is conflated with bashing. Every person has the right to their opinion but if they wish to use that opinion to shape public policy they cannot expect an absence of public criticism.
FullblownRose wrote: » I already said there are people who are understandably anti catholic church for personal reasons. Youre conflating those with people who have not had direct experience of having any rights denied or atrocities perpetrated upon them yet they expound on their ill feeling towards the catholics as though they have a personal grievance with every catholic person.. I think catholics must live a very isolated life if they ''aren't used to ...being criticised'' conidering I see very vehement, misplaced and disproportionate criticism from other atheist acquaintances expressed on social networking sites on a very regular basis.! It's perfectly posible and reasonable to express a view on public policies calmly and rationally, without being offensive to catholics. They can reasonably expect an absence of criticim that extends far beyond the matter of policy.
_Redzer_ wrote: » Why would you need to be personally affected by the Catholic Church in order to be against them? By your logic, anyone who isn't black or gay shouldn't care or get preoccupied by issues that don't personally affect them. I don't have to be black to care or get involved about an issue of racism. If I think it's wrong, it's wrong in my view. Why would I step aside just because it doesn't affect me personally shows a lack of concern or care. How would any sort of social progression be achieved by that mindset? The Catholic Church has carried out very serious atrocities in this country and they used to bash anyone who didn't conform with their ethos severely. It's like the church has been hitting us over the head with the bible and now we say stop and they cry themselves as victims. They've been doing that for hundreds of years. If you can't take, don't give.
Turtwig wrote: » One doesn't need a personal experience to be able to empathise with others. What you're saying is akin to saying that you can't be outraged at the situation in Syria if you don't directly experience it. Many people are outraged at the church because they EMPATHISE with others. It could just have easily been themselves or their families and friends that were directly affected. You're targeting that minority group of loons. Who will bash anything that isn't their belief e.g "Gaelic football is great, I've don't have an interest in cricket ergo it's sh1t." Those people will always ignorantly bash stuff and insult personalities. But they should never be allowed to drown out, or downplay, the valid expressions of others. Social media is 99% idiotic comments anyway.
jank wrote: » It's just fashionable now, people say they have good reasons to but you never hear those same people bash Islam near as much for example where the treatment of minorities is much much worse.
FullblownRose wrote: » You see unable to separate the actions of those individuals responsible for the atrocities with the members of the r.c church as a whole. Your language is quite militant and combative. I don't personally feel that anyone has hit me over the head with a bible nor have I been forced coerced or indoctrinated, i simply excercised my free will and made my own mind up. I don't think it is logical to attempt to make a stand against inustice by attacking a whole religion any more than it would make sense to blame Nigeria for Boko Haram.
Turtwig wrote: » Funny thing is you rarely hear anyone, including Catholic demographics, bash Islam because well fear of axe wielding nutters do tend to have an influence on the confidence of people to state stuff in public. That said, people do criticise Islam. It wasn't Islam though that played the dominant role in the events in Ireland. So it's a bit like expecting rugby fans to bash the FAI for problems in the rugby administration.
_Redzer_ wrote: » The church as a whole fights against me constantly. If I'm not a deviant I'm a pedophole apparently. So yes, I have good reason to be combative. They constantly shove their ideals over me by wanting me to adhere to their world view by concerning themselves with civil matters they've nothing to do with. So if I'm not to attack the church as a whole and the ethos they teach and preach, who am I to blame instead?
jank wrote: » It might come to a shock but people and organisations have a right to air their opinions. Freedom of religion is not freedom from religion.
